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> Would you rather be a slave with all your relatives in a deathcamp or fight the occupier to death? That's not the real question at hand. There are no deathca

> Would you rather be a slave with all your relatives in a deathcamp or fight the occupier to death? That's not the real question at hand. There are no deathcamps or slavery IRL and everyone who is not exulted by propaganda and actually has to care for their own skin understands that. > There is plenty of bloody evidence from Russian conflicts since 1990. Like what? I don't understand how people can think there will be less violence imposed on Ukrainians if they are supported by a certain someone with actually plenty of bloody evidence of staging, escalating and participating in wars all over the world.

tarasglek 4y ago
> That's not the real question at hand. There are no deathcamps or slavery IRL and everyone who is not exulted by propaganda and actually has to care for their own skin understands that. See bit about all working age men in LNR/DNR being thrown poorly equipped into battle. There is also evidence of farmers being forced to work occupied land for free. What do you call that if not slavery? >> There is plenty of bloody evidence from Russian conflicts since 1990. > Like what? Already mentioned this elsewhere in thread.
- foverzar 4y ago
  > See bit about all working age men in LNR/DNR being thrown poorly equipped into battle That's not deathcamps. Same argument could be made for Ukrainian conscripts being thrown into battle just as poorly equipped. And it still wouldn't be deathcamps. > There is also evidence of farmers being forced to work occupied land for free. A solid one? I've already seen enough "evidence" of Russians eating babies and stealing asphalt and toilets. > Already mentioned this elsewhere in thread. Sorry, if there are no specifics, I won't be trying to guess. Post-Soviet military frictions due to completely idiotically handled dissolution process are so full of myths and legends and are such a complex topic, that in practice most people have no actual idea. Take for example Georgia of 2008, for which the "common knowledge" is so vastly different from the UN investigation conclusion.

tarasglek 4y ago

> That's not the real question at hand. There are no deathcamps or slavery IRL and everyone who is not exulted by propaganda and actually has to care for their own skin understands that. See bit about all working age men in LNR/DNR being thrown poorly equipped into battle. There is also evidence of farmers being forced to work occupied land for free. What do you call that if not slavery? >> There is plenty of bloody evidence from Russian conflicts since 1990. > Like what? Already mentioned this elsewhere in thread.

foverzar 4y ago
> See bit about all working age men in LNR/DNR being thrown poorly equipped into battle That's not deathcamps. Same argument could be made for Ukrainian conscripts being thrown into battle just as poorly equipped. And it still wouldn't be deathcamps. > There is also evidence of farmers being forced to work occupied land for free. A solid one? I've already seen enough "evidence" of Russians eating babies and stealing asphalt and toilets. > Already mentioned this elsewhere in thread. Sorry, if there are no specifics, I won't be trying to guess. Post-Soviet military frictions due to completely idiotically handled dissolution process are so full of myths and legends and are such a complex topic, that in practice most people have no actual idea. Take for example Georgia of 2008, for which the "common knowledge" is so vastly different from the UN investigation conclusion.