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Why did you ommit "relevant experience" and "military specialty" part? My military specialty is "computer operator", lol. Also, 24 months is something from two

Why did you ommit "relevant experience" and "military specialty" part? My military specialty is "computer operator", lol. Also, 24 months is something from two decades ago.

rasz 4y ago
How about a 32 old IT specialist with no experience whatsoever? https://twitter.com/dasha_reports/status/1572929082014277633 https://twitter.com/dasha_reports/status/1572929082014277633 >Victor Bugreev, 32, he is an IT specialist for Sberbank in Moscow, he received a summons yesterday: "I have never served, I have not done military service, I do not have a military specialty, I do not have a military department. I'll go, what to do. Or a criminal case."
rasz 4y ago
Because I lived under russian occupation and know how those things work first hand. Their official propaganda newspaper is still called Pravda (truth). Do you really expect this particular part to be true among the sea of other lies? This is how it started https://www.dw.com/en/how-ukraine-separatists-are-mass-conscripting-anyone-of-fighting-age/a-61608760 https://www.dw.com/en/how-ukraine-separatists-are-mass-consc... and this is how its going https://vk.com/wall-58177259_1120387 https://vk.com/wall-58177259_1120387 (kidnapped off the street straight to military) >Also, 24 months is something from two decades ago. Exactly the people they will force back to military now, up to 60 old. Here you go from st.Petersburg https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/1572522854608171012/photo/1 https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/15725228546081710... 42 year old with 2 year mandatory service record.
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
  > Because I lived under russian occupation I'm not quite sure where you are from, but unless you are from Ukraine, it is likely you lived under soviet occupation. In this sense, Russia itself is still under it, too.
  - trasz 4y ago
    No, same way India wasn't under Commonwealth occupation. "Soviet Union" was the colonial empire, but individual countries were occupied by Russia.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
      This is nonsense. Soviet union was a multinational state run by a very ideological party that suppressed any nationalistic sentiment. In all its 70 years it was led by Russians for maybe 16 or 17 years (Lenin, barely, then Khrushchev, Andropov and Gorbachev).
      - trasz 4y ago
        And all the racism and colonialism magically reappeared in 1990?
        Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
        There nationalistic tensions that existed since time immemorial, which were suppressed by a state with a powerful state security. Once the state vanished, the hell broke loose. Same thing happened in India, btw: once the British went away, religious and nationalistic tensions erupted violently. I'm not aware of any colonialism that far magically appeared in 1990 in USSR/Russia. If you are referring to Ukraine conflict, this is not colonialism, just a regular conquest attempt to score points with some subset of public, which is going disastrously bad. Small victorious wars are always like that in Russia. Regarding racism, it is nonexistent in exUSSR/Russia. Internet users like to use big words like racism and genocide left and right to label things they don't like, but this will result only in diluting the original meaning of the word. Sure, there are tensions between people of certain nationalities (Armenia/Azerbaijan, Tatar/Bashkir, some others), but it has nothing to do with racism.
        trasz 4y ago
        How do you explain why the vast majority of Russian losses in Ukraine are ethnic minorities, if not with racism? How do you explain those minorities have no representation in government, if there is no colonialism? Russia is world’s last colonial empire. It’s entire economy revolves around Moscow parasitizing on everyone else.
- foverzar 4y ago
  This is all nice and dramatic, but I actually live in Russia, my father is a retired officer and I call on your bullshit. Your numbers are all messed up and incorrect (24 months, when it is actually 12, 60 y.o, when the upper limit is 50, 60 is only for generals) The article you've linked is about Ukrainian separatists, not Russian Armed Forces. The linked video doesn't give any clues to what is happening and where, so I can only take your word for it (which I won't) And I actually had to google if Pravda is still a thing, surprised that it is still published in some form - it is really obscure. Frankly the rhetorics like "I have no idea how the specifics work and given that the name of some old-ass newspaper is "Pravda" anything could happen!" isn't really solid.
  - rasz 4y ago
    Its only 12m since 2006. If you were born in 1980 like the poor soul linked above you served 24 months. The article I linked about LPR/DPR showed how it was supposed to look like, vk link shows how reality looks like on the ground - Z painted busses with mercenaries roam the streets and kidnap people. Comments under the that clip are from wife of a brand new soldier. I give it a 1-2 months for same thing to start occurring in ru proper. The reality is nobody knows what is happening other than putin. His whims are being realized ad hoc with no one sane at the wheel. Everyone is lying about everything. Two days ago russia was being invaded by NATO, Yesterday NATO weapons were all of a sudden formidable, 3 months ago russia was about to nuke Britain with supersonic ballistic missiles, Snake Island was a good will gesture retreat and the crashed ru heli with corpses were totally Ukrainina commando, Kherson was regrouping, and we have no plans for mobilization https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1569646984918614016 https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1569646984918614016
    - foverzar 4y ago
      > Its only 12m since 2006. If you were born in 1980 like the poor soul linked above you served 24 months. 2006 was almost two decades ago. And it doesn't matter when you when one was born (at least not directly). "Since 2006" means no one served 2 years since 2006. Not "only those born after 2006". > vk link shows how reality looks like on the ground - Z painted busses with mercenaries roam the streets and kidnap people. Comments under the that clip are from wife of a brand new soldier. You've linked social media, dude... Like, the most unverifiable source of info, where you can engineer and distribute any piece of information and anyone can write anything posing as anyone. Really? Especially when there are tons of similar "evidence" from the Ukrainian side and both seem to be engaged in "no, its you who actually has the thing I am accused of".
- pandaman 4y ago
  The official newspaper of Russian state is called "Российская газета" (literally "The newspaper of Russia"), "Pravda" is the newspaper of the Communist party, which is a minor party in Duma. Also, fun fact, "pravda" only means "truth" figuratively, there is no equivalent word in English, but it's a noun derived from adjective "right", which surprisingly has almost all the same meanings in Russian as it does in English (direction, opposite of wrong, a privilege) so it's somewhat similar to "righteousness" but with even wider meaning, containing everything that is right. For example the first Russian code of law is called "Russian Pravda".

Why did you ommit "relevant experience" and "military specialty" part? My military specialty is "computer operator", lol. Also, 24 months is something from two decades ago.

rasz 4y ago

How about a 32 old IT specialist with no experience whatsoever? https://twitter.com/dasha_reports/status/1572929082014277633 https://twitter.com/dasha_reports/status/1572929082014277633 >Victor Bugreev, 32, he is an IT specialist for Sberbank in Moscow, he received a summons yesterday: "I have never served, I have not done military service, I do not have a military specialty, I do not have a military department. I'll go, what to do. Or a criminal case."

rasz 4y ago

Because I lived under russian occupation and know how those things work first hand. Their official propaganda newspaper is still called Pravda (truth). Do you really expect this particular part to be true among the sea of other lies? This is how it started https://www.dw.com/en/how-ukraine-separatists-are-mass-conscripting-anyone-of-fighting-age/a-61608760 https://www.dw.com/en/how-ukraine-separatists-are-mass-consc... and this is how its going https://vk.com/wall-58177259_1120387 https://vk.com/wall-58177259_1120387 (kidnapped off the street straight to military) >Also, 24 months is something from two decades ago. Exactly the people they will force back to military now, up to 60 old. Here you go from st.Petersburg https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/1572522854608171012/photo/1 https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/15725228546081710... 42 year old with 2 year mandatory service record.

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
> Because I lived under russian occupation I'm not quite sure where you are from, but unless you are from Ukraine, it is likely you lived under soviet occupation. In this sense, Russia itself is still under it, too.
- trasz 4y ago
  No, same way India wasn't under Commonwealth occupation. "Soviet Union" was the colonial empire, but individual countries were occupied by Russia.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
    This is nonsense. Soviet union was a multinational state run by a very ideological party that suppressed any nationalistic sentiment. In all its 70 years it was led by Russians for maybe 16 or 17 years (Lenin, barely, then Khrushchev, Andropov and Gorbachev).
    - trasz 4y ago
      And all the racism and colonialism magically reappeared in 1990?
      - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
        There nationalistic tensions that existed since time immemorial, which were suppressed by a state with a powerful state security. Once the state vanished, the hell broke loose. Same thing happened in India, btw: once the British went away, religious and nationalistic tensions erupted violently. I'm not aware of any colonialism that far magically appeared in 1990 in USSR/Russia. If you are referring to Ukraine conflict, this is not colonialism, just a regular conquest attempt to score points with some subset of public, which is going disastrously bad. Small victorious wars are always like that in Russia. Regarding racism, it is nonexistent in exUSSR/Russia. Internet users like to use big words like racism and genocide left and right to label things they don't like, but this will result only in diluting the original meaning of the word. Sure, there are tensions between people of certain nationalities (Armenia/Azerbaijan, Tatar/Bashkir, some others), but it has nothing to do with racism.
        trasz 4y ago
        How do you explain why the vast majority of Russian losses in Ukraine are ethnic minorities, if not with racism? How do you explain those minorities have no representation in government, if there is no colonialism? Russia is world’s last colonial empire. It’s entire economy revolves around Moscow parasitizing on everyone else.
foverzar 4y ago
This is all nice and dramatic, but I actually live in Russia, my father is a retired officer and I call on your bullshit. Your numbers are all messed up and incorrect (24 months, when it is actually 12, 60 y.o, when the upper limit is 50, 60 is only for generals) The article you've linked is about Ukrainian separatists, not Russian Armed Forces. The linked video doesn't give any clues to what is happening and where, so I can only take your word for it (which I won't) And I actually had to google if Pravda is still a thing, surprised that it is still published in some form - it is really obscure. Frankly the rhetorics like "I have no idea how the specifics work and given that the name of some old-ass newspaper is "Pravda" anything could happen!" isn't really solid.
- rasz 4y ago
  Its only 12m since 2006. If you were born in 1980 like the poor soul linked above you served 24 months. The article I linked about LPR/DPR showed how it was supposed to look like, vk link shows how reality looks like on the ground - Z painted busses with mercenaries roam the streets and kidnap people. Comments under the that clip are from wife of a brand new soldier. I give it a 1-2 months for same thing to start occurring in ru proper. The reality is nobody knows what is happening other than putin. His whims are being realized ad hoc with no one sane at the wheel. Everyone is lying about everything. Two days ago russia was being invaded by NATO, Yesterday NATO weapons were all of a sudden formidable, 3 months ago russia was about to nuke Britain with supersonic ballistic missiles, Snake Island was a good will gesture retreat and the crashed ru heli with corpses were totally Ukrainina commando, Kherson was regrouping, and we have no plans for mobilization https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1569646984918614016 https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1569646984918614016
  - foverzar 4y ago
    > Its only 12m since 2006. If you were born in 1980 like the poor soul linked above you served 24 months. 2006 was almost two decades ago. And it doesn't matter when you when one was born (at least not directly). "Since 2006" means no one served 2 years since 2006. Not "only those born after 2006". > vk link shows how reality looks like on the ground - Z painted busses with mercenaries roam the streets and kidnap people. Comments under the that clip are from wife of a brand new soldier. You've linked social media, dude... Like, the most unverifiable source of info, where you can engineer and distribute any piece of information and anyone can write anything posing as anyone. Really? Especially when there are tons of similar "evidence" from the Ukrainian side and both seem to be engaged in "no, its you who actually has the thing I am accused of".
pandaman 4y ago
The official newspaper of Russian state is called "Российская газета" (literally "The newspaper of Russia"), "Pravda" is the newspaper of the Communist party, which is a minor party in Duma. Also, fun fact, "pravda" only means "truth" figuratively, there is no equivalent word in English, but it's a noun derived from adjective "right", which surprisingly has almost all the same meanings in Russian as it does in English (direction, opposite of wrong, a privilege) so it's somewhat similar to "righteousness" but with even wider meaning, containing everything that is right. For example the first Russian code of law is called "Russian Pravda".