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Russians are very inconsistent in their lying. On one hand they say they are already fighting NATO troops, and on the other hand they say that NATO needs to sta
by koonsolo 4y ago
Russians are very inconsistent in their lying. On one hand they say they are already fighting NATO troops, and on the other hand they say that NATO needs to stay away else they will use all means possible.
I was in favour that NATO would secure the skies, but that is now too late I guess.
Ukraine didn't even receive the latest and best equipment such as battle tanks. Once they receive those (I'm confident they will), it will make it easier for them to retake land.
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago> I was in favour that NATO would secure the skies 'Securing' skies is a term that has been repeated a lot but in practice it means potentially shooting down Russian aircrafts to 'secure' a corridor. This would mean a NATO member doing an act of war against Russia _without_ the purpose of defending a NATO member state. The main argument is where do you draw the line? Why did NATO not provide air support for Georgia in South Ossetia, or for Crimea in 2014 but now does so for Donetsk in 2022? In my opinion doing so would just give Russian propaganda a stronger argument that NATO is intended on attacking Russia rather than securing it's member states.
- koonsolo 4y agoJust because we closed our eyes in the past doesn't mean we need to continue doing that. It's the straw that breaks the camels back. Shooting down Russian airplanes over Ukrainian territory when they are literally bombing Ukraine is not "an act of war against Russia". That's a bit of a far stretch don't you think? If NATO bombs Belarus and Russian airplanes defend, you can hardly call that "Russian war against NATO".
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago> If NATO bombs Belarus and Russian airplanes defend, you can hardly call that "Russian war against NATO". That is literally a casus belli. It very much is an act of war.
- koonsolo 4y agoAccording to Russia, even sending weapons is an act of war. It all has degrees. There is a clear difference between attacking Russia on their own territory vs defening Ukraine over Ukraine territory, with their consent. Russia would do nothing, just like when Moskva was sunk, just like when airfields on annexed Crimea were attacked. Edit: So what would happen if Russia flies a fighterjet over NATO territory and they shoot it down. An act of war?
- rascul 4y ago> Shooting down Russian airplanes over Ukrainian territory when they are literally bombing Ukraine is not "an act of war against Russia". That's a bit of a far stretch don't you think? It is an act of war. It is not a far stretch.