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Their automotive industry and demography are on catastrophic crossroads, ~100 mln of people and the land between Germany and Russia are just such convenient res

Their automotive industry and demography are on catastrophic crossroads, ~100 mln of people and the land between Germany and Russia are just such convenient resources.

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yrgulation 4y ago
Their automotive industry depends on east europe, and is a massive source of pollution and clocked cars. Some countries tried banning old german cars but obviously the eu “threatened” them with “sanctions”. So its not just the resources they are after but also their pockets and health. Just here on this forum you can see many express disdain at east europeans, more than any other group of people, instead of acting like actual allies. Perhaps poland’s idea of germany paying its debt to east europe is not such a bad idea and should be taken care of in full force once this war is over.
- eternalban 4y ago
  It is interesting how neither the Russians nor the West delves on to what extent this whole affair is about Germany, and the role Germany played in all this. Even now, the official narratives involving Germany focus on foot dragging on arming, stuff like that, whereas the actual geopolitical story is so much more 'interesting'. Btw, history calls with a rude interruption to remind that the Germans were also the first to give the Yugoslavian civil war a nice big push to get it going. https://apnews.com/article/f07f4162e6bb20a7039c69d10e526a62 https://apnews.com/article/f07f4162e6bb20a7039c69d10e526a62 p.s. EU (Germany+France) + Russia + China as foundational to next layer BRI + BRICS, countering "Anglo-Saxon" Empire of Waters. This is what the war is actually about. Take out the Schnaps and get Schroeder and Merkle drunk and they will tell you all about it. :-) [preemptive p.s.s. Yes, of course, but that's why NS2 had to be stopped.]
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    > It is interesting how neither the Russians nor the West delves on to what extent this whole affair is about Germany, and the role Germany played in all this. And thats fine, because the issue is neither russia not the west. The issue is east europe, the region of it thats sandwiched between russia and central europe (germany). Just to be clear, my aim is not germans but german politics which find it extremely convenient that a weak east europe cant compete with germany. In regards to croatia and slovenia, and pretty much all other east eu countries, indeed germany has a good humanitarian track record and has been a steady supporter of democratisation of these countries. But somehow it managed to block their development through excessive regulation, and excessive chauvinism. There is no debate about east europe on here where a person from that country doesnt throw in corruption and poverty, none of which are on a scale as bad as so dominate every.single.discussion. Americans dont exhibit the same behaviour when it comes to india, yet india is far poorer and far more corrupt than any east eu country, yet germans always poop on poland, hungary, romania, and so on. A very inhibitive approach in my view, and very non allied like behaviour.
    - apurtbapurt 4y ago
      The EU is an alliance of shared interests and some very basic shared ideals. We are allies, not soulmates or lovers. That is not intended to defend people who speak ill of their neighbours. Bad manners are always ugly. Just pointing out that being nice is not a prerequisite for being a useful and even so.ewhat dependable ally.
      - yrgulation 4y ago
        > We are allies, not soulmates or lovers. To me it appears exactly that. One is abusive one is complacent. S/he hits me because s/he loves me. Thats the attitude of people in allied countries each time germany or the eu imposes sanctions because of “corruption” or some other wanna be do good reason, all the while their corrupt partners in the two entities walk free. In fact it hits the very same people, whom somehow think bowing their heads and slaving around europe is a good idea. Instead they should develop a personality and standup. When they warned germany its policies towards russia would backfire and were ignored they should have played the sanctions game just as hard. Do business with russia, but dont sell scrapyard cars in east europe. Abuse workers and smear them in the media, dont do business in east europe.

Their automotive industry and demography are on catastrophic crossroads, ~100 mln of people and the land between Germany and Russia are just such convenient resources.

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yrgulation 4y ago

Their automotive industry depends on east europe, and is a massive source of pollution and clocked cars. Some countries tried banning old german cars but obviously the eu “threatened” them with “sanctions”. So its not just the resources they are after but also their pockets and health. Just here on this forum you can see many express disdain at east europeans, more than any other group of people, instead of acting like actual allies. Perhaps poland’s idea of germany paying its debt to east europe is not such a bad idea and should be taken care of in full force once this war is over.

eternalban 4y ago
It is interesting how neither the Russians nor the West delves on to what extent this whole affair is about Germany, and the role Germany played in all this. Even now, the official narratives involving Germany focus on foot dragging on arming, stuff like that, whereas the actual geopolitical story is so much more 'interesting'. Btw, history calls with a rude interruption to remind that the Germans were also the first to give the Yugoslavian civil war a nice big push to get it going. https://apnews.com/article/f07f4162e6bb20a7039c69d10e526a62 https://apnews.com/article/f07f4162e6bb20a7039c69d10e526a62 p.s. EU (Germany+France) + Russia + China as foundational to next layer BRI + BRICS, countering "Anglo-Saxon" Empire of Waters. This is what the war is actually about. Take out the Schnaps and get Schroeder and Merkle drunk and they will tell you all about it. :-) [preemptive p.s.s. Yes, of course, but that's why NS2 had to be stopped.]
- yrgulation 4y ago
  > It is interesting how neither the Russians nor the West delves on to what extent this whole affair is about Germany, and the role Germany played in all this. And thats fine, because the issue is neither russia not the west. The issue is east europe, the region of it thats sandwiched between russia and central europe (germany). Just to be clear, my aim is not germans but german politics which find it extremely convenient that a weak east europe cant compete with germany. In regards to croatia and slovenia, and pretty much all other east eu countries, indeed germany has a good humanitarian track record and has been a steady supporter of democratisation of these countries. But somehow it managed to block their development through excessive regulation, and excessive chauvinism. There is no debate about east europe on here where a person from that country doesnt throw in corruption and poverty, none of which are on a scale as bad as so dominate every.single.discussion. Americans dont exhibit the same behaviour when it comes to india, yet india is far poorer and far more corrupt than any east eu country, yet germans always poop on poland, hungary, romania, and so on. A very inhibitive approach in my view, and very non allied like behaviour.
  - apurtbapurt 4y ago
    The EU is an alliance of shared interests and some very basic shared ideals. We are allies, not soulmates or lovers. That is not intended to defend people who speak ill of their neighbours. Bad manners are always ugly. Just pointing out that being nice is not a prerequisite for being a useful and even so.ewhat dependable ally.
    - yrgulation 4y ago
      > We are allies, not soulmates or lovers. To me it appears exactly that. One is abusive one is complacent. S/he hits me because s/he loves me. Thats the attitude of people in allied countries each time germany or the eu imposes sanctions because of “corruption” or some other wanna be do good reason, all the while their corrupt partners in the two entities walk free. In fact it hits the very same people, whom somehow think bowing their heads and slaving around europe is a good idea. Instead they should develop a personality and standup. When they warned germany its policies towards russia would backfire and were ignored they should have played the sanctions game just as hard. Do business with russia, but dont sell scrapyard cars in east europe. Abuse workers and smear them in the media, dont do business in east europe.