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If 90% of the community think you’re a jerk then it’s probably you that’s the jerk.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
Where's the vote? > If 90% of the community think you’re a jerk then it’s probably you that’s the jerk. Or it's a community of Jerks. Proud boys think I am a jerk, for sure.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > Or it's a community of Jerks. If you think they’re jerks then don’t join in. If they think you’re a jerk they won’t want you to join in. It’s not the mystery you’re making it out to be. If many people tell you that by their norms you’re rude then by definition you’re rude as that’s the definition of rude - not meeting social norms for interaction in a given situation which is causing people to be upset. If you don’t understand their norms or why they’re upset, that’s your issue to work on not theirs. > Proud boys think I am a jerk, for sure. Yeah so you probably wouldn’t be welcome at a Proud Boys meeting. That’s fine. Did you think this was a ‘gotcha’? You’re arguing against your own position!
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > If you think they’re jerks then don’t join in. You don't know until you don't know. > If they think you’re a jerk they won’t want you to join in. Which is why Mozilla as a brand is as toxic as the inside of Chernobyl reactor core. > You’re arguing against your own position! Not really. I'm arguing against the hypocrisy of "openess". Proud boys say they are for free speech, but then, as you correctly state, they wouldn't let me speak at one of their rallies. Mozilla says they are open, but then their bans are written by someone who's in love with medieval torture. The only missing bit of fun in their e-mail is being forced to sleep in an iron maiden.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      > I'm arguing against the hypocrisy of "openess". Open to people who aren’t jerks. Again I don’t think that’s a mystery - it’s implicit in any community and is even made explicit through their CoC if you can’t judge social norms yourself.
      - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > Open to people who aren’t jerks. . true but they say that he was mostly right. There's a line between just being a jerk and being right but expressing it in the wrong way according to the mainstream audience (meaning the admins).
tete 4y ago
So basically every anti-minority society? Be it mostly white people with black people, mostly Christian ones with Jews, etc. What I am trying to say is 90% white people and them thinking that black people are drug dealers isn't exactly unheard of. And you can basically go back decade by decade over history with such situations. What makes you think that minority is more right now about someone being just bad/a jerk?
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  It doesn’t matter if I think they’re right or not - it’s their community.

Where's the vote? > If 90% of the community think you’re a jerk then it’s probably you that’s the jerk. Or it's a community of Jerks. Proud boys think I am a jerk, for sure.

chrisseaton 4y ago
> Or it's a community of Jerks. If you think they’re jerks then don’t join in. If they think you’re a jerk they won’t want you to join in. It’s not the mystery you’re making it out to be. If many people tell you that by their norms you’re rude then by definition you’re rude as that’s the definition of rude - not meeting social norms for interaction in a given situation which is causing people to be upset. If you don’t understand their norms or why they’re upset, that’s your issue to work on not theirs. > Proud boys think I am a jerk, for sure. Yeah so you probably wouldn’t be welcome at a Proud Boys meeting. That’s fine. Did you think this was a ‘gotcha’? You’re arguing against your own position!
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > If you think they’re jerks then don’t join in. You don't know until you don't know. > If they think you’re a jerk they won’t want you to join in. Which is why Mozilla as a brand is as toxic as the inside of Chernobyl reactor core. > You’re arguing against your own position! Not really. I'm arguing against the hypocrisy of "openess". Proud boys say they are for free speech, but then, as you correctly state, they wouldn't let me speak at one of their rallies. Mozilla says they are open, but then their bans are written by someone who's in love with medieval torture. The only missing bit of fun in their e-mail is being forced to sleep in an iron maiden.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > I'm arguing against the hypocrisy of "openess". Open to people who aren’t jerks. Again I don’t think that’s a mystery - it’s implicit in any community and is even made explicit through their CoC if you can’t judge social norms yourself.
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      > Open to people who aren’t jerks. . true but they say that he was mostly right. There's a line between just being a jerk and being right but expressing it in the wrong way according to the mainstream audience (meaning the admins).

tete 4y ago

So basically every anti-minority society? Be it mostly white people with black people, mostly Christian ones with Jews, etc. What I am trying to say is 90% white people and them thinking that black people are drug dealers isn't exactly unheard of. And you can basically go back decade by decade over history with such situations. What makes you think that minority is more right now about someone being just bad/a jerk?

chrisseaton 4y ago
It doesn’t matter if I think they’re right or not - it’s their community.