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Partial... impartial... There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". There is a law on mobilization, but who cares about laws there days in Russia. The

Partial... impartial... There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". There is a law on mobilization, but who cares about laws there days in Russia. The main objective of this mobilization is to call up to 5mln conscripts in the army. This morning, people already started to receive summons in person.

JoachimS 4y ago
It is a bit like the "balanced stance", what does a balanced stance on an invasion even mean? https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/sep/15/putin-thanks-xi-for-chinas-balanced-stance-on-ukraine-invasion-video https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/sep/15/putin-th...
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apexalpha 4y ago
>There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". What do you mean by this? If you have 2 million men available in a full mobilization but call up only 300.000 this seems partial?
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  To push to the extreme, you'd have to mobilize every single Russian to have a "full" mobilization. So anything short of that is a "partial" mobilization, which would be basically be any actual mobilization.
  - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
    A full mobilisation would imply mobilising all the people who can be mobilised not every single Russian. That’s not what’s happening here hence the partial.
    - rasz 4y ago
      Shigu himself stated there are 25mil people eligible for the mobilization right now in ru. Thats pretty much everyone below 60.
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  They will call them later. 300,000 noobs with minimal training, physique, crappy equipment, low morale and useless aparatchik leaders will be sent to meat grinder of eastern Ukraine. "Nas mnogo" strategy barely worked in WWII, with modern warfare (and continuing western aid) they won't make that much difference. High tech equipment in good numbers is what decides outcomes these days when armies clash. Plus Ukraine can and does use insurgency on their lost territories, no army ever including the best one won against this.
  - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
    It’s more a political signal sent to the west. Russia was designing the war in Ukraine as a special operation. That put some limits on what they could officially do. With the referendum in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russia is reframing the conflict as happening on Russian soil. That allows them to declare it a war and open the door to nuclear retaliation. Mobilising and calling it a proxy war play with this line. It’s basically Russia telling the west they are serious about escalating if they keep pushing.
    - checkyoursudo 4y ago
      > It’s basically Russia telling the west they are serious about escalating if they keep pushing. I think that's the message Russia believes it is conveying. The information I think they are really signaling (outside of the rhetoric), and what I suspect Nato sees, is that Russia is conceding that it cannot win and hoping its bluff will freeze the conflict, which I don't think it will do.
      - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
        Russia remains a nuclear power. NATO should be and is careful. I agree they know they can’t win but they now need an exit ramp. That’s what I personally read in their posture. It would probably be wise to give them one.
        TillE 4y ago
WastingMyTime89 4y ago
Partial is the opposite of complete here not of impartial. It’s the adjectival form of the noun part. I am not sure if you were making a joke or actually misunderstood.
- OJFord 4y ago
  I think GP means that you either mobilise or you don't, which I can sort of get on board with, but if you say 'part of the army is mobilised' and then 'the army is partially mobilised' it seems fairly natural, even if it perhaps doesn't strictly make sense.
  - WHATDOESIT 4y ago
    The actual point is that there is no such thing in Russian law. Only "mobilization" - a full, complete, impartial one. So this is actually "a mobilization", the "partiality" of it is just making it sound nice on the TV but in practice what Putin signed is a full, complete, impartial mobilization. And it's not like they did it because that's the law they have to work with. Just yesterday they made extensive last-minute changes to many laws - especially these concerning refusal of mobilization, refusal to fight, and surrender in combat (they made it all criminal).
_V_ 4y ago
> This morning, people already started to receive summons in person. Wow... That's actually quite terrifying how fast these things can go south.
- audessuscest 4y ago
  these people are reservist. They knew and already accepted that this could happen
  - sam_lowry_ 4y ago
    You know what? The majority of men in Russia are reservists. You either served in the army or went through higher education and got away earning a leutenant rank along the way. In reality, the state will call in all men between 20 and 27, sparing Moscow residents for the time being.
    - rasz 4y ago
      >sparing Moscow residents for the time being about that https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/1572529152833761283 https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/15725291528337612...
    - audessuscest 4y ago
      no, there's a difference between being a reservist and having done military service > In reality, the state will call in all men between 20 and 27 - source ? - all men between 20 and 27 is only 300 000 ?
- CydeWeys 4y ago
  I mean, they've likely been planning this for months. It's not a surprise that they had it ready to go immediately upon the public announcement.

JoachimS 4y ago

It is a bit like the "balanced stance", what does a balanced stance on an invasion even mean? https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/sep/15/putin-thanks-xi-for-chinas-balanced-stance-on-ukraine-invasion-video https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/sep/15/putin-th...

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apexalpha 4y ago

>There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". What do you mean by this? If you have 2 million men available in a full mobilization but call up only 300.000 this seems partial?

makeitdouble 4y ago
To push to the extreme, you'd have to mobilize every single Russian to have a "full" mobilization. So anything short of that is a "partial" mobilization, which would be basically be any actual mobilization.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  A full mobilisation would imply mobilising all the people who can be mobilised not every single Russian. That’s not what’s happening here hence the partial.
  - rasz 4y ago
    Shigu himself stated there are 25mil people eligible for the mobilization right now in ru. Thats pretty much everyone below 60.
saiya-jin 4y ago
They will call them later. 300,000 noobs with minimal training, physique, crappy equipment, low morale and useless aparatchik leaders will be sent to meat grinder of eastern Ukraine. "Nas mnogo" strategy barely worked in WWII, with modern warfare (and continuing western aid) they won't make that much difference. High tech equipment in good numbers is what decides outcomes these days when armies clash. Plus Ukraine can and does use insurgency on their lost territories, no army ever including the best one won against this.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  It’s more a political signal sent to the west. Russia was designing the war in Ukraine as a special operation. That put some limits on what they could officially do. With the referendum in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russia is reframing the conflict as happening on Russian soil. That allows them to declare it a war and open the door to nuclear retaliation. Mobilising and calling it a proxy war play with this line. It’s basically Russia telling the west they are serious about escalating if they keep pushing.
  - checkyoursudo 4y ago
    > It’s basically Russia telling the west they are serious about escalating if they keep pushing. I think that's the message Russia believes it is conveying. The information I think they are really signaling (outside of the rhetoric), and what I suspect Nato sees, is that Russia is conceding that it cannot win and hoping its bluff will freeze the conflict, which I don't think it will do.
    - WastingMyTime89 4y ago
      Russia remains a nuclear power. NATO should be and is careful. I agree they know they can’t win but they now need an exit ramp. That’s what I personally read in their posture. It would probably be wise to give them one.
      - TillE 4y ago

WastingMyTime89 4y ago

Partial is the opposite of complete here not of impartial. It’s the adjectival form of the noun part. I am not sure if you were making a joke or actually misunderstood.

OJFord 4y ago
I think GP means that you either mobilise or you don't, which I can sort of get on board with, but if you say 'part of the army is mobilised' and then 'the army is partially mobilised' it seems fairly natural, even if it perhaps doesn't strictly make sense.
- WHATDOESIT 4y ago
  The actual point is that there is no such thing in Russian law. Only "mobilization" - a full, complete, impartial one. So this is actually "a mobilization", the "partiality" of it is just making it sound nice on the TV but in practice what Putin signed is a full, complete, impartial mobilization. And it's not like they did it because that's the law they have to work with. Just yesterday they made extensive last-minute changes to many laws - especially these concerning refusal of mobilization, refusal to fight, and surrender in combat (they made it all criminal).

_V_ 4y ago

> This morning, people already started to receive summons in person. Wow... That's actually quite terrifying how fast these things can go south.

audessuscest 4y ago
these people are reservist. They knew and already accepted that this could happen
- sam_lowry_ 4y ago
  You know what? The majority of men in Russia are reservists. You either served in the army or went through higher education and got away earning a leutenant rank along the way. In reality, the state will call in all men between 20 and 27, sparing Moscow residents for the time being.
  - rasz 4y ago
    >sparing Moscow residents for the time being about that https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/1572529152833761283 https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/15725291528337612...
  - audessuscest 4y ago
    no, there's a difference between being a reservist and having done military service > In reality, the state will call in all men between 20 and 27 - source ? - all men between 20 and 27 is only 300 000 ?
CydeWeys 4y ago
I mean, they've likely been planning this for months. It's not a surprise that they had it ready to go immediately upon the public announcement.