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> ignore them on the client side. it's easy. there's a field called FROM. Do you realize that your discourse politically implies a very individualistic views o
by p4bl0 4y ago
> ignore them on the client side. it's easy. there's a field called FROM.
Do you realize that your discourse politically implies a very individualistic views of how such problems should be dealt with?
I don't know the situation here, but let's take it aside and consider another example: some one in an organization is constantly harassing other members (e.g., a guy being heavy with women). If the organization follows what you suggest, it means it doesn't deal with the problem has a collective, and rather let everyone deal with it on their own. You're telling the victims of the bully that they're all alone, you don't consider them. This is probably the best way to have them leave and be left with the bullies only in the end.
I truly believe this cannot be the right approach to such behavioral issues. Rather, the collective approach at the organization level is the good one: it sends the right message to everyone, both the bully (now you stop), the potential bullies (we don't tolerate such behaviors here), the victims (we heard you, we're stand together, our organization culture is based on respect and you count as much as everyone else), and the potential victims (we do out best to make our organization a safe place).
You have nothing to fear in this if you don't want to be on the bully side.
- FeepingCreature 4y agoThey could just inform the police. They could even help victims to inform the police. The problem with the "collective" approach is that it often creates unaccountable positions of authority. Guess where bullies will gather? I ain't ever seen a vote to ban on a ML.
- p4bl0 4y agoNot every wrongdoing to a community is illegal per se. The police has nothing to do with it. And concerning illegal things that the police could act on, the situation in real life is much more complex than you seem to think. First, a legal procedure can take time and as a collective you may want to protect the victims and your organization in the meantime. Second, you can encourage but never force a victim to go to the police and through a legal procedure that may requires them to go through their trauma again and again, especially since the justice system does not exist outside of our societies and so has the same biases that makes many forms of harassment possible in the first place, making the procedure outcome not always favorable to the victims, who you may want to protect at your organization level nonetheless. The way you see the collective approach has nothing collective if it is the doing of a few individuals. When I say "collective" I mean that word, not "the unaccountable head of the organization" as you seem to think.
- FeepingCreature 4y agoRight, then I believe you'll agree there's a difference between "the community" and "we who claim to speak for the community." At first look, this seems like the latter.
- p4bl0 4y ago> I believe you'll agree there's a difference between "the community" and "we who claim to speak for the community." Indeed.
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- dang 4y agoYou can't post personal attacks like this to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do it, so please don't. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
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- dang 4y agoPlease don't get sucked into this sort of tit-for-tat flamewar on HN. It's badly against the site guidelines, it's extremely tedious for everyone else, and we ban accounts that do it repeatedly. What to do instead: walk away. If you're not engaged in curious conversation (which this certainly was not), then the one who walks away first 'wins'. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.