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> Western armies, apart from Ukraine, hadn’t even entered the conflict. ..on paper. In reality Ukraine is infested with paramilitary organisations funded and t

> Western armies, apart from Ukraine, hadn’t even entered the conflict. ..on paper. In reality Ukraine is infested with paramilitary organisations funded and trained by the west, fighting with western technology. Also calling Ukraine "western", is a bit of a stretch. This conflict and the subsequent propaganda has made us forget how backwards and corrupt Ukraine was, just to rally behind their support and not complain for freezing our assess to death this winter in Europe. Of course Putin is a deranged lunatic that should let go already. But the idea of a powerless Russia, or even worse, a Russia that is a puppet of China, is terrifying.

trasz 4y ago
>But the idea of a powerless Russia, or even worse, a Russia that is a puppet of China, is terrifying. This is already the case. Everyone knows Russia's military prowess was a bluff - that's why we've seen another attempt in Armenia; fortunately USA came and filled the power vacuum there. And of course Kazakhstan used that opportunity to humiliate Putin once again. Russia could theoretically balance between China and India. But it sounds like a complicated act, especially so for a failed state. I think it will end up with making sure Russia ends up being a puppet, but not a very useful one.
r00fus 4y ago
> In reality Ukraine is infested with paramilitary organisations funded and trained by the west, fighting with western technology. Do you have any cites for this?
- 4gotunameagain 4y ago
  https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/08/19/in-ukraine-the-mozart-group-marches-to-the-beat-of-its-own-drum_5994118_4.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/08/19/i... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/mozart-group-western-ex-military-training-ukrainian-recruits https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/mozart-group-w... https://www.injuredoverseas.com/u-s-private-military-contractor-killed-in-ukraine/ https://www.injuredoverseas.com/u-s-private-military-contrac...

trasz 4y ago

>But the idea of a powerless Russia, or even worse, a Russia that is a puppet of China, is terrifying. This is already the case. Everyone knows Russia's military prowess was a bluff - that's why we've seen another attempt in Armenia; fortunately USA came and filled the power vacuum there. And of course Kazakhstan used that opportunity to humiliate Putin once again. Russia could theoretically balance between China and India. But it sounds like a complicated act, especially so for a failed state. I think it will end up with making sure Russia ends up being a puppet, but not a very useful one.

r00fus 4y ago

> In reality Ukraine is infested with paramilitary organisations funded and trained by the west, fighting with western technology. Do you have any cites for this?

4gotunameagain 4y ago
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/08/19/in-ukraine-the-mozart-group-marches-to-the-beat-of-its-own-drum_5994118_4.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/08/19/i... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/mozart-group-western-ex-military-training-ukrainian-recruits https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/05/mozart-group-w... https://www.injuredoverseas.com/u-s-private-military-contractor-killed-in-ukraine/ https://www.injuredoverseas.com/u-s-private-military-contrac...