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So your strategy would be what exactly?

by desindol 4y ago

rightbyte 4y ago
Do nothing. Whine abit. Work long term for stability.
- desindol 4y ago
  How would you achieve long term stability with countries that have imperial ambition?
  - scandinavian 4y ago
    I think he is suggesting that we allow Putin to re-create the old Soviet Union and then hope it stops there.
  - foverzar 4y ago
    Mutual restraining deterrent that isn't limited to "end game for everyone" button. We saw what had happened when the SU had collapsed and the only remaining unopposed empire had started wreaking havoc all over the world. I would assume that if there were more diverse military alliances and less transcontinental ones (looking at you, NATO, can't be responsible if your brain is on safe on another continent), we wouldn't have as much soil polluted by depleted uranium.
    - desindol 4y ago
      You are just shifting the wars to be more localized…
      - foverzar 4y ago
        You are saying this like it's a bad thing. Practically all 21 century conflicts were initially local and would have vented out fast, but there is always some superpower that comes along and starts pushing it's interests, pumping one party with advanced arms and turning every conflict into a clusterfuck blood bath, just cuz it's not their electorate who's dying, so there is no interest in solving it fast.
        desindol 4y ago
        You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Localized and fights between smaller adversaries have always been more destabilizing than bigger standoffs.
        foverzar 4y ago
        > You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Oh please, get off your high horse and stop acting as a superior if all you have is vague accusations of your interlocutor being not as smart as you are. It is hardly correct to compare post-WWII modern conflicts with early 20 century conflicts, much less with the stuff before that. The world is different, communication is different, the economy is different - just look at the comments here: ordinary people from all conflicting countries discuss economic repercussions of their countries being at each-others throats. I wouldn't believe that it has no tangible effect. IMO, people seem really tired of all this shit and most would rather just finish it and be done with it. Unfortunately, since it is a dick swinging contest between superpowers, the whole tension doesn't vent out as it should, but instead it gets unnaturally prolonged. And I am not even touching the subject of that this conflict would have never even been a thing if a certain superpower wasn't so hard on expanding it's sphere of influence on a foreign continent, right at the border of another historically competing superpower.
        desindol 4y ago
        No, my horse is amazing and IMO your opinions are unsubstantiated garbage, just building sandcastles. You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane. Nice talk though.
        foverzar 4y ago
        > You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane. That wasn't really my point, lol. Like, that wasn't my point AT ALL, did you even read my replies or were you too busy narcissising yourself?

So your strategy would be what exactly?

rightbyte 4y ago

Do nothing. Whine abit. Work long term for stability.

desindol 4y ago
How would you achieve long term stability with countries that have imperial ambition?
- scandinavian 4y ago
  I think he is suggesting that we allow Putin to re-create the old Soviet Union and then hope it stops there.
- foverzar 4y ago
  Mutual restraining deterrent that isn't limited to "end game for everyone" button. We saw what had happened when the SU had collapsed and the only remaining unopposed empire had started wreaking havoc all over the world. I would assume that if there were more diverse military alliances and less transcontinental ones (looking at you, NATO, can't be responsible if your brain is on safe on another continent), we wouldn't have as much soil polluted by depleted uranium.
  - desindol 4y ago
    You are just shifting the wars to be more localized…
    - foverzar 4y ago
      You are saying this like it's a bad thing. Practically all 21 century conflicts were initially local and would have vented out fast, but there is always some superpower that comes along and starts pushing it's interests, pumping one party with advanced arms and turning every conflict into a clusterfuck blood bath, just cuz it's not their electorate who's dying, so there is no interest in solving it fast.
      - desindol 4y ago
        You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Localized and fights between smaller adversaries have always been more destabilizing than bigger standoffs.
        foverzar 4y ago
        > You should really start to learn about more than the last 100 years of history. Oh please, get off your high horse and stop acting as a superior if all you have is vague accusations of your interlocutor being not as smart as you are. It is hardly correct to compare post-WWII modern conflicts with early 20 century conflicts, much less with the stuff before that. The world is different, communication is different, the economy is different - just look at the comments here: ordinary people from all conflicting countries discuss economic repercussions of their countries being at each-others throats. I wouldn't believe that it has no tangible effect. IMO, people seem really tired of all this shit and most would rather just finish it and be done with it. Unfortunately, since it is a dick swinging contest between superpowers, the whole tension doesn't vent out as it should, but instead it gets unnaturally prolonged. And I am not even touching the subject of that this conflict would have never even been a thing if a certain superpower wasn't so hard on expanding it's sphere of influence on a foreign continent, right at the border of another historically competing superpower.
        desindol 4y ago
        No, my horse is amazing and IMO your opinions are unsubstantiated garbage, just building sandcastles. You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane. Nice talk though.
        foverzar 4y ago
        > You are arguing that it's fine to kill a lot of people as long as it's fast and you can overcome the mild inconvience of your own life, insane. That wasn't really my point, lol. Like, that wasn't my point AT ALL, did you even read my replies or were you too busy narcissising yourself?