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It’s good that we finally stopped appeasing every dictator with some cheap energy.

roenxi 4y ago
We're setting up a situation here where China will likely end up ascendant. The big thing the West has in its favour is control of financial flows and services which are a huge edge in long periods of peace. A serious war could break out and it appears neither China nor India are that worried about Ukraine. We're going to end up torpedoing all the systems that keep us wealthy and comfortable as Asia gets serious about securing itself and has a real reason to break away from the US's world order. Russia has a lot of energy to offer other Asian partners, China has motives to support this sort of war and India I don't know what they will decide to do but there are big opportunities here for them. And in exchange for these strategic blunders, we're getting ... war, corpses, money wasted building weapons and serious threats of nuclear war. This is a really bad situation for anyone in a country that speaks English as an official language. At least, probably a couple of other American satellites are worried too. We're not getting anything here in exchange for warming the situation up by arming Russia's enemies and laughing loudly at their government. Even if this hadn't led to a partial mobilisation of a nuclear power, sending huge numbers of weapons to a country famous for its corruption was a bloody stupid idea to start with.
- desindol 4y ago
  We should really thrive to get a better history education into our school curiculums these comments are so malinformed it's actually dangerous.
  - remarkEon 4y ago
    The parent post is a little glib, but the concern about how China and especially India will react is accurate. There's somewhat of a tipping point happening in world history, as we edge into the post-9/11 era.
- yladiz 4y ago
  > This is a really bad situation for anyone in a country that speaks English as an official language I know this is pedantic, but if you're going to make an appeal using something like this, at least be more exact and really know your facts. English is by far the most spoken language in countries like the US and UK, but they aren't official languages.
rightbyte 4y ago
The only other strategy to appease, is not to escalate until we all get nuked. It is not binary. We can't have these tensions each time the US or Russia invades X.
- desindol 4y ago
  So your strategy would be what exactly?
  - rightbyte 4y ago
    Do nothing. Whine abit. Work long term for stability.
    - desindol 4y ago
      How would you achieve long term stability with countries that have imperial ambition?
      - scandinavian 4y ago
        I think he is suggesting that we allow Putin to re-create the old Soviet Union and then hope it stops there.
      - foverzar 4y ago
        Mutual restraining deterrent that isn't limited to "end game for everyone" button. We saw what had happened when the SU had collapsed and the only remaining unopposed empire had started wreaking havoc all over the world. I would assume that if there were more diverse military alliances and less transcontinental ones (looking at you, NATO, can't be responsible if your brain is on safe on another continent), we wouldn't have as much soil polluted by depleted uranium.
        desindol 4y ago
        You are just shifting the wars to be more localized…

We're setting up a situation here where China will likely end up ascendant. The big thing the West has in its favour is control of financial flows and services which are a huge edge in long periods of peace. A serious war could break out and it appears neither China nor India are that worried about Ukraine. We're going to end up torpedoing all the systems that keep us wealthy and comfortable as Asia gets serious about securing itself and has a real reason to break away from the US's world order. Russia has a lot of energy to offer other Asian partners, China has motives to support this sort of war and India I don't know what they will decide to do but there are big opportunities here for them. And in exchange for these strategic blunders, we're getting ... war, corpses, money wasted building weapons and serious threats of nuclear war. This is a really bad situation for anyone in a country that speaks English as an official language. At least, probably a couple of other American satellites are worried too. We're not getting anything here in exchange for warming the situation up by arming Russia's enemies and laughing loudly at their government. Even if this hadn't led to a partial mobilisation of a nuclear power, sending huge numbers of weapons to a country famous for its corruption was a bloody stupid idea to start with.

desindol 4y ago
We should really thrive to get a better history education into our school curiculums these comments are so malinformed it's actually dangerous.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  The parent post is a little glib, but the concern about how China and especially India will react is accurate. There's somewhat of a tipping point happening in world history, as we edge into the post-9/11 era.
yladiz 4y ago
> This is a really bad situation for anyone in a country that speaks English as an official language I know this is pedantic, but if you're going to make an appeal using something like this, at least be more exact and really know your facts. English is by far the most spoken language in countries like the US and UK, but they aren't official languages.

rightbyte 4y ago

The only other strategy to appease, is not to escalate until we all get nuked. It is not binary. We can't have these tensions each time the US or Russia invades X.

desindol 4y ago
So your strategy would be what exactly?
- rightbyte 4y ago
  Do nothing. Whine abit. Work long term for stability.
  - desindol 4y ago
    How would you achieve long term stability with countries that have imperial ambition?
    - scandinavian 4y ago
      I think he is suggesting that we allow Putin to re-create the old Soviet Union and then hope it stops there.
    - foverzar 4y ago
      Mutual restraining deterrent that isn't limited to "end game for everyone" button. We saw what had happened when the SU had collapsed and the only remaining unopposed empire had started wreaking havoc all over the world. I would assume that if there were more diverse military alliances and less transcontinental ones (looking at you, NATO, can't be responsible if your brain is on safe on another continent), we wouldn't have as much soil polluted by depleted uranium.
      - desindol 4y ago
        You are just shifting the wars to be more localized…