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My guess was over something like this communication: https://web.archive.org/web/20220817182407/https://www.betterbird.eu/answer.html https://web.archive.org/w

My guess was over something like this communication: https://web.archive.org/web/20220817182407/https://www.betterbird.eu/answer.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220817182407/https://www.bette... Guy seems like a bit of a dick but I suppose after quite a few years trying to effect change in an org most people get that way.

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FeepingCreature 4y ago
That seems very harmless.
chekibreki 4y ago
Don’t see anything wrong with this post and he’s definitely not a „dick“ here. Criticism is not the same as negativity.
senko 4y ago
If this is the worst, this speaks a lot more about the Thunderbird project leaders than about this person. I read this as a thoughtful, passionate, plea for project (governance) improvements. You can certainly disagree with him (I don't enough much about the project to judge either way, although his arguments ring true to my general software development instincts), but he was not attacking anyone or being a jerk.
- jerbearito 4y ago
  No, not the worst, and not even relevant. This stuff happened in 2020, but that person linked to a message from a few months ago.
  - BeefWellington 4y ago
    Hence the phrasing "Something like this communication" -- it's an example of how this person communicates.
- lucideer 4y ago
  Given this particular email is hosted on his own website it seems unlikely that it's "the worst". On the other hand, the exact terminology used in the details of the ban here[0] do lean toward the less severe side of CoC violations. It seems likely that it was death-by-a-thousand-papercuts (frequent & persistent small violations coupled with an evident unwillingness to accept feedback), rather than one big blowout incident as is more often seen with such bans. [0] https://www.betterbird.eu/faq/moz-governance.pdf https://www.betterbird.eu/faq/moz-governance.pdf
  - ptsneves 4y ago
    Well he got a ban but the letter does not even provide an example of his violations. I would say Mozilla governance is broken and hope more forks appear with respective organic funding. Will definitely be looking at betterbird.

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FeepingCreature 4y ago

That seems very harmless.

chekibreki 4y ago

Don’t see anything wrong with this post and he’s definitely not a „dick“ here. Criticism is not the same as negativity.

senko 4y ago

If this is the worst, this speaks a lot more about the Thunderbird project leaders than about this person. I read this as a thoughtful, passionate, plea for project (governance) improvements. You can certainly disagree with him (I don't enough much about the project to judge either way, although his arguments ring true to my general software development instincts), but he was not attacking anyone or being a jerk.

jerbearito 4y ago
No, not the worst, and not even relevant. This stuff happened in 2020, but that person linked to a message from a few months ago.
- BeefWellington 4y ago
  Hence the phrasing "Something like this communication" -- it's an example of how this person communicates.
lucideer 4y ago
Given this particular email is hosted on his own website it seems unlikely that it's "the worst". On the other hand, the exact terminology used in the details of the ban here[0] do lean toward the less severe side of CoC violations. It seems likely that it was death-by-a-thousand-papercuts (frequent & persistent small violations coupled with an evident unwillingness to accept feedback), rather than one big blowout incident as is more often seen with such bans. [0] https://www.betterbird.eu/faq/moz-governance.pdf https://www.betterbird.eu/faq/moz-governance.pdf
- ptsneves 4y ago
  Well he got a ban but the letter does not even provide an example of his violations. I would say Mozilla governance is broken and hope more forks appear with respective organic funding. Will definitely be looking at betterbird.