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Justine's posts are always worth reading, even if their subject is outside your normal area of interest.

by goddstream 4y ago

beebmam 4y ago
- ninjin 4y ago
  Given my (rough) understanding of Justine’s political leanings (active in Occupy [1]), I think (and hope) that you are mistaken. The following searches turn up empty [2,3] as well. [1]: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/breaking-occupy/ https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/breaking-occupy/ [2]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ajustine.lol+dark https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ajustine.lol+dark [3]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ajustine.lol+moldbug https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ajustine.lol+moldbug It is perfectly possible that you are still right. But I would be darn careful to make statements like you made without backing them up with facts. The Internet is a chilling enough place without even more vague rumours going around. Edit: Well, apparently your memory is on to something after all [4,5]. [4]: https://crooksandliars.com/2022/07/donald-j-moldbug-lurks-around-corner https://crooksandliars.com/2022/07/donald-j-moldbug-lurks-ar... [5]: https://www.thedailybeast.com/occupying-the-throne-justine-tunney-neoreactionaries-and-the-new-1 https://www.thedailybeast.com/occupying-the-throne-justine-t...
  - erichocean 4y ago
    - xupybd 4y ago
      It's an interesting article about tech. I don't care about the author's crazy political views but enjoyed the article. Please don't ban something because of an unrelated aspect of the author.
      - ahofmann 4y ago
        Yes, please! Politics, technical inventions and the things people do in their free time are different things! Please stop mixing all of those together. This is a ad hominem attack and I can't stand it.
      - Akronymus 4y ago
        Reminds me of this quote from a game dev: “If Stalin had a good writeup on programming, would linking that be dangerous, because some people might read it, start liking HIM, thus start liking communism and the ineviteble mass murder that follows it? Is this how little we trust other individuals when it comes to access to information? I personally trust my readers to have the ability to create their own opinions instead of blindly following whatever says the person they like.” I have many people I dislike on a personal level, but still praise for their technical abilities.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        "So you think snow is white? Did you know Joseph Stalin thinks snow is white?"
        Akronymus 4y ago
        I am not sure I get what you want to communicate with that.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        It's a (probably mis-)quote from a passage that demonstrates what you're saying.
        Akronymus 4y ago
        Ooooh, gotcha. Basically the hitler liked dogs so people who like dogs are nazis example?
    - athrun 4y ago
      Is there any content on justine.lol related to her political views? I haven't found any.
    - yakshaving_jgt 4y ago
      That's a fairly slippery slope isn't it? From the DB article: > Tunney was never against the one percent—she just thought that the one percent were the wrong people. If you want to excommunicate someone for this position, then you'll have to start doing rather a lot of banning.
      - erichocean 4y ago
        not1ofU 4y ago
    - zaptheimpaler 4y ago
      Oh please f** off with the speech policing. There is no hate festering in the article or anywhere on her page. Someone had to go very far out of their way to dig up something she said. Until then, it was just a technical post. That's very far from Moldbug who wrote volumes of rhetoric explicitly designed to push a particular ideology. In fact if exposure to radical views is the problem, the person who dug up the comments and posted them here did more harm here than anyone else. Until then we were all blissfully unaware and just having a technical discussion.
      - erichocean 4y ago
        > Someone had to go very far out of their way to dig up something she said. And every time it happens, more and more people find out. Streisand effect. When I asked @dang a few years ago why Yarvin was banned, that was his response: in even technical posts related to Yarvin, his politics endlessly get brought up—and HN doesn't exist for that kind of discussion. You can still see that happen in virtually any Urbit post, despite him not even being involved in it anymore. If I were @dang, I would have allowed Yarvin links on HN (and Justine, obviously—amazingly talented engineer) and instead have a different HN policy: ask random HN posters to stop bringing up unrelated politics in the comments of technical posts. Maybe @dang will do just that and we'll both be happy. It happens a lot and would make the site much, much nicer.
      - MonkeyClub 4y ago
        > Oh please f* off with the speech policing. This, 100%. It’s a technical post, let’s treat it as such and avoid insipid sensationalist distractions.
  - trebot 4y ago
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    - Vecr 4y ago
      I've never heard of that before, though I did hear about the whole Atomwaffen (or really a separate US group going by the same name) O9A infiltration disaster. Is there any public documentation of this going in in general, or is it confined to private Discord rooms and that sort of thing?
  - deleted 4y ago
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Justine's posts are always worth reading, even if their subject is outside your normal area of interest.

beebmam 4y ago

ninjin 4y ago
Given my (rough) understanding of Justine’s political leanings (active in Occupy [1]), I think (and hope) that you are mistaken. The following searches turn up empty [2,3] as well. [1]: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/breaking-occupy/ https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/breaking-occupy/ [2]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ajustine.lol+dark https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ajustine.lol+dark [3]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ajustine.lol+moldbug https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ajustine.lol+moldbug It is perfectly possible that you are still right. But I would be darn careful to make statements like you made without backing them up with facts. The Internet is a chilling enough place without even more vague rumours going around. Edit: Well, apparently your memory is on to something after all [4,5]. [4]: https://crooksandliars.com/2022/07/donald-j-moldbug-lurks-around-corner https://crooksandliars.com/2022/07/donald-j-moldbug-lurks-ar... [5]: https://www.thedailybeast.com/occupying-the-throne-justine-tunney-neoreactionaries-and-the-new-1 https://www.thedailybeast.com/occupying-the-throne-justine-t...
- erichocean 4y ago
  - xupybd 4y ago
    It's an interesting article about tech. I don't care about the author's crazy political views but enjoyed the article. Please don't ban something because of an unrelated aspect of the author.
    - ahofmann 4y ago
      Yes, please! Politics, technical inventions and the things people do in their free time are different things! Please stop mixing all of those together. This is a ad hominem attack and I can't stand it.
    - Akronymus 4y ago
      Reminds me of this quote from a game dev: “If Stalin had a good writeup on programming, would linking that be dangerous, because some people might read it, start liking HIM, thus start liking communism and the ineviteble mass murder that follows it? Is this how little we trust other individuals when it comes to access to information? I personally trust my readers to have the ability to create their own opinions instead of blindly following whatever says the person they like.” I have many people I dislike on a personal level, but still praise for their technical abilities.
      - robertlagrant 4y ago
        "So you think snow is white? Did you know Joseph Stalin thinks snow is white?"
        Akronymus 4y ago
        I am not sure I get what you want to communicate with that.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        It's a (probably mis-)quote from a passage that demonstrates what you're saying.
        Akronymus 4y ago
        Ooooh, gotcha. Basically the hitler liked dogs so people who like dogs are nazis example?
  - athrun 4y ago
    Is there any content on justine.lol related to her political views? I haven't found any.
  - yakshaving_jgt 4y ago
    That's a fairly slippery slope isn't it? From the DB article: > Tunney was never against the one percent—she just thought that the one percent were the wrong people. If you want to excommunicate someone for this position, then you'll have to start doing rather a lot of banning.
    - erichocean 4y ago
      - not1ofU 4y ago
  - zaptheimpaler 4y ago
    Oh please f** off with the speech policing. There is no hate festering in the article or anywhere on her page. Someone had to go very far out of their way to dig up something she said. Until then, it was just a technical post. That's very far from Moldbug who wrote volumes of rhetoric explicitly designed to push a particular ideology. In fact if exposure to radical views is the problem, the person who dug up the comments and posted them here did more harm here than anyone else. Until then we were all blissfully unaware and just having a technical discussion.
    - erichocean 4y ago
      > Someone had to go very far out of their way to dig up something she said. And every time it happens, more and more people find out. Streisand effect. When I asked @dang a few years ago why Yarvin was banned, that was his response: in even technical posts related to Yarvin, his politics endlessly get brought up—and HN doesn't exist for that kind of discussion. You can still see that happen in virtually any Urbit post, despite him not even being involved in it anymore. If I were @dang, I would have allowed Yarvin links on HN (and Justine, obviously—amazingly talented engineer) and instead have a different HN policy: ask random HN posters to stop bringing up unrelated politics in the comments of technical posts. Maybe @dang will do just that and we'll both be happy. It happens a lot and would make the site much, much nicer.
    - MonkeyClub 4y ago
      > Oh please f* off with the speech policing. This, 100%. It’s a technical post, let’s treat it as such and avoid insipid sensationalist distractions.
- trebot 4y ago
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  - Vecr 4y ago
    I've never heard of that before, though I did hear about the whole Atomwaffen (or really a separate US group going by the same name) O9A infiltration disaster. Is there any public documentation of this going in in general, or is it confined to private Discord rooms and that sort of thing?
- deleted 4y ago
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