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I am convinced there was fraud in the 2020 election. Enough to give Biden the win? Maybe not, but fraud nonetheless.

by danrocks 4y ago

causality0 4y ago
If that belief is based on solid evidence that you have, many people would pay you millions of dollars for it.
- deleted 4y ago
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- danrocks 4y ago
  Did you miss the parent article? There are many, many photos of people returning multiple ballots (300 people at a minimum), which don't belong to them, something that is illegal. Are they Republicans, Democrats? I don't know. Is this a sign of a healthy election? Not really. In a country with an electoral college where a few thousand votes decide a presidential election, elections need to be a lot tighter.
  - causality0 4y ago
    Personally I had no idea it was any more illegal to deposit your spouse's mail-in ballot than it would be to drop off their mail-in rebate. I expect most people are the same and would've dropped off their partner's ballot or their family's ballots with their own. I agree that votes should have a robust accounting system and that every ballot should be linked with a voter registration. Frankly I wish we did mandatory voting like Australia.
rootusrootus 4y ago
There was some fraud, yes, not a whole lot, and so far only on the Republican side. But to swing an election at the national level it would require millions of votes. That's a tall order.
- lasc4r 4y ago
  It would take tens of thousands of votes in a handful of specific states, but yeah, it would requires a vast conspiracy. Trump Republicans are trying to just that under the assumption that the 2020 election was stolen anyway. Which is, uh, not great.
- notadev 4y ago
  > There was some fraud, yes, not a whole lot, and so far only on the Republican side. https://news.yahoo.com/20-arrested-florida-voter-fraud-034016817.html https://news.yahoo.com/20-arrested-florida-voter-fraud-03401... https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search
  - belltaco 4y ago
    Both those links don't show any fraud on the Democratic side.
- danrocks 4y ago
  Do you know how American presidential elections work? It would require thousands (not millions) of votes in specific states. Popular vote (where Biden beat Trump handily) is not how elections are decided here.
labster 4y ago
There is fraud in every election. All polls have a margin of error, and that includes polling places. Like all fraud, we don’t want to spend enough resources to eliminate it entirely, because this has negative effects on legitimate customers/voters. There was an article recently by patio11 about how credit cards choose a level of fraud to tolerate in the interest of the system functioning. Voting works the same way; restrictions on mail ballots and ID requirements limit more legitimate voters than fraudulent votes, so a prudent approach is to only investigate in cases where it makes a difference. We call these recounts in elections, and audits in finance. If conservatives want to run the country more like a business, well, this is their chance.
- kthejoker2 4y ago
  Literally millions of dollars available to anyone who can find and prove fraud. In a country of 150 million voters voting in dozens of local, state, and federal elections over the last 20 years, there have been less than 100 convictions for voter fraud, and almost all of those are inadvertently illegal votes by felons, new residents not correctly registered, students voting in their college town elections, et cetera. There is NO significant fraud in American elections. ZERO.
- danrocks 4y ago
  > restrictions on mail ballots and ID requirements limit more legitimate voters than fraudulent votes Here's some evidence of the opposite: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/21/voting-is-surging-georgia-despite-controversial-new-election-law/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/21/voting-is...
13of40 4y ago
I'm convinced there was an illegal and violent coup attempting to overturn the 2020 election. It killed people. What was your thing again?

I am convinced there was fraud in the 2020 election. Enough to give Biden the win? Maybe not, but fraud nonetheless.

causality0 4y ago

If that belief is based on solid evidence that you have, many people would pay you millions of dollars for it.

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danrocks 4y ago
Did you miss the parent article? There are many, many photos of people returning multiple ballots (300 people at a minimum), which don't belong to them, something that is illegal. Are they Republicans, Democrats? I don't know. Is this a sign of a healthy election? Not really. In a country with an electoral college where a few thousand votes decide a presidential election, elections need to be a lot tighter.
- causality0 4y ago
  Personally I had no idea it was any more illegal to deposit your spouse's mail-in ballot than it would be to drop off their mail-in rebate. I expect most people are the same and would've dropped off their partner's ballot or their family's ballots with their own. I agree that votes should have a robust accounting system and that every ballot should be linked with a voter registration. Frankly I wish we did mandatory voting like Australia.

rootusrootus 4y ago

There was some fraud, yes, not a whole lot, and so far only on the Republican side. But to swing an election at the national level it would require millions of votes. That's a tall order.

lasc4r 4y ago
It would take tens of thousands of votes in a handful of specific states, but yeah, it would requires a vast conspiracy. Trump Republicans are trying to just that under the assumption that the 2020 election was stolen anyway. Which is, uh, not great.
notadev 4y ago
> There was some fraud, yes, not a whole lot, and so far only on the Republican side. https://news.yahoo.com/20-arrested-florida-voter-fraud-034016817.html https://news.yahoo.com/20-arrested-florida-voter-fraud-03401... https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search
- belltaco 4y ago
  Both those links don't show any fraud on the Democratic side.
danrocks 4y ago
Do you know how American presidential elections work? It would require thousands (not millions) of votes in specific states. Popular vote (where Biden beat Trump handily) is not how elections are decided here.

labster 4y ago

There is fraud in every election. All polls have a margin of error, and that includes polling places. Like all fraud, we don’t want to spend enough resources to eliminate it entirely, because this has negative effects on legitimate customers/voters. There was an article recently by patio11 about how credit cards choose a level of fraud to tolerate in the interest of the system functioning. Voting works the same way; restrictions on mail ballots and ID requirements limit more legitimate voters than fraudulent votes, so a prudent approach is to only investigate in cases where it makes a difference. We call these recounts in elections, and audits in finance. If conservatives want to run the country more like a business, well, this is their chance.

kthejoker2 4y ago
Literally millions of dollars available to anyone who can find and prove fraud. In a country of 150 million voters voting in dozens of local, state, and federal elections over the last 20 years, there have been less than 100 convictions for voter fraud, and almost all of those are inadvertently illegal votes by felons, new residents not correctly registered, students voting in their college town elections, et cetera. There is NO significant fraud in American elections. ZERO.
danrocks 4y ago
> restrictions on mail ballots and ID requirements limit more legitimate voters than fraudulent votes Here's some evidence of the opposite: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/21/voting-is-surging-georgia-despite-controversial-new-election-law/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/21/voting-is...

13of40 4y ago

I'm convinced there was an illegal and violent coup attempting to overturn the 2020 election. It killed people. What was your thing again?