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Search is entirely crippled for new stories now. If I saw some breaking news on Twitter I used to pop over to Youtube to find original or better footage than ne

Search is entirely crippled for new stories now. If I saw some breaking news on Twitter I used to pop over to Youtube to find original or better footage than news services were getting, or to get it faster. Impossible via YT's search now, it's just pages and pages of old-media channels with their thoughts on the footage, always clipped down and talked over. Even Twitter seems to do this now, it's becoming harder to find stuff that doesn't have a large slathering of approved views slathered over the top.

ipaddr 4y ago
Do you ever filter by day, month, week?
- brigandish 4y ago
  I've tried everything I can think of but it seems that news on Youtube is now much like watching television. If there's a trick I don't know it, though it looks like Yandex will have a new customer.
honkler 4y ago
you will watch ze approved media, and you will be happy.
- deleted 4y ago
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narrator 4y ago
Yandex.com, my friend. It even returns results from Ulta Cancelled video websites like Bitchute, Rumble and Odyssey.
- 14 4y ago
  I’ve recently started using yandex lately and have say I also find it refreshing. My favourite is the image search I just find it superior to other search engines.
  - dijonman2 4y ago
    Better than bing image search, my current go to?
    - esotericsean 4y ago
      Someone uses Bing?
      - niels_bom 4y ago
        Bing image search does not suffer from Pinterest-itis as Google Images does.
        iggldiggl 4y ago
        I absolutely understand the annoyance-factor of "Pinterest-itis" (though it seems that either they've dialled their "you must absolutely register now in order to see anything"-behaviour down a little bit again, or maybe it's just that half-forgotten userscript I installed at some point – either way it's currently not that infuriating for me), but given that e.g. direct image indexing seems almost non-existant for Instagram, being able to stumble across some images from there via the detour of Pinterest is better than nothing I suppose. (It's only infuriating if somebody saved an image to their computer/phone/… and then manually re-uploaded it to Pinterest again, so that the source URL of the image is then missing…) Likewise if the original image has already disappeared from the net – finding a copy via Pinterest is still better than finding nothing. (Interestingly Bing's search can serve a similar purpose – compared with Google, it feels like Bing is much more reluctant to remove 404'd images from its index again. While those broken results are annoying, too – and unlike Pinterest neither Google nor Bing store (at least publicly) full-resolution copies of those images – at least you can try plugging the preview image into reverse image search and with some luck maybe find an alternative copy of that image that has survived elsewhere.) And finally, the keywords added by Pinterest are possibly also helpful in making images more discoverable. (This might be no longer that relevant now that Google is also running image recognition on the images it indexes and no longer has to solely rely on the hope that any text near that image or the rare "alt"/"title"-text is actually relevant to the image contents, but it might still help a little.)
- adolph 4y ago
  There is something to be said for a search engine whose interests don't align with, or even better are adversarial to, the prevailing spam sources.
  - ra120271 4y ago
    I used to love that about Google News in the early days. A search would give you results from all over the world, with different outlooks and perspectives. I found it enlightening to read against my own selection bias. Then they removed that value point and aligned what they presented with my existing bias - at which point I stopped using it.
    - soundnote 4y ago
      I like Brave's Goggles idea on that front, and for other stuff as well, like curating knowledge domain-specific site boosting lists.
- nounaut 4y ago
  It looks like it's owned by a Russian company. Does that affect what it allows you to see? I notice for instance that a quick search for "War in Ukraine" returns top results from Russian news outlets calling it a "Military Operation".
  - fuckHNtho 4y ago
    i mean yeah, yandex is the #1 russian tech company. literally the russian google.
  - danuker 4y ago
    Of course it affects what you see. Search engines are a form of soft power that states can't afford NOT to influence. As a user of them, I make sure to use multiple engines (preferably with distinct indices and jurisdictions) when I research something essential that affects my long-term future. This is because I distrust how politics is done (industry lobbying).
    - narrator 4y ago
      Look at how Larry Page disappeared off to Fiji and just dropped out of the tech and business world. That to me says a lot about what's become of Google.
    - NCC1701DEngage 4y ago
      >As a user of them, I make sure to use multiple engines You may be interested in our alternative YouTube recommendations. Search a channel to find a list of other channels making similar videos. For example, our recommendations for How Money Works include other established econ focused channels like Economics Explained and Money & Macro but also smaller more obscure channels like Wall Street Millennial: https://channelgalaxy.com/id%3DUCkCGANrihzExmu9QiqZpPlQ/ https://channelgalaxy.com/id%3DUCkCGANrihzExmu9QiqZpPlQ/
autoexec 4y ago
Funny that youtube is basically the opposite of google's search which will often only show you results that are relevant to top/recent stories making it very difficult to get results about anything else. It doesn't even have to be that recent in some cases. Searching for "Sandy Hook Elementary" along with just about any other search term is going to give you a page with results about a shooting that took place a decade ago. Searching for a proper noun when they are the top story of the day is pretty much only going to give you that one story.
- brigandish 4y ago
  I use DDG now but I wish the search tools weren't just last week, last month, last year but greater than a week/month/year so I could discard more recent results. It's quite the puzzle to find ways to remove things, as using the -search-term-I-don't-want or +term-I-do-want is increasingly less reliable, in my experience.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    Yeah, google pretty much ignores search modifiers these days and DDG (which I also use) routinely fails to understand what -term means. I still dream of the day we have a search engine that supports regular expressions.
    - brigandish 4y ago
      There was one, back before the great clearing of interesting search engines that Google brought about. I forget its name but I used it for code searches.
rasz 4y ago
Afair this happened after New Zealand Christchurch shooting. YT was full of POV videos of mentally ill idiot going room to room killing people. As a quick fix/backlash the very next day YT search was totally broken and stayed that way.

ipaddr 4y ago

Do you ever filter by day, month, week?

brigandish 4y ago
I've tried everything I can think of but it seems that news on Youtube is now much like watching television. If there's a trick I don't know it, though it looks like Yandex will have a new customer.

honkler 4y ago

you will watch ze approved media, and you will be happy.

deleted 4y ago
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narrator 4y ago

Yandex.com, my friend. It even returns results from Ulta Cancelled video websites like Bitchute, Rumble and Odyssey.

14 4y ago
I’ve recently started using yandex lately and have say I also find it refreshing. My favourite is the image search I just find it superior to other search engines.
- dijonman2 4y ago
  Better than bing image search, my current go to?
  - esotericsean 4y ago
    Someone uses Bing?
    - niels_bom 4y ago
      Bing image search does not suffer from Pinterest-itis as Google Images does.
      - iggldiggl 4y ago
        I absolutely understand the annoyance-factor of "Pinterest-itis" (though it seems that either they've dialled their "you must absolutely register now in order to see anything"-behaviour down a little bit again, or maybe it's just that half-forgotten userscript I installed at some point – either way it's currently not that infuriating for me), but given that e.g. direct image indexing seems almost non-existant for Instagram, being able to stumble across some images from there via the detour of Pinterest is better than nothing I suppose. (It's only infuriating if somebody saved an image to their computer/phone/… and then manually re-uploaded it to Pinterest again, so that the source URL of the image is then missing…) Likewise if the original image has already disappeared from the net – finding a copy via Pinterest is still better than finding nothing. (Interestingly Bing's search can serve a similar purpose – compared with Google, it feels like Bing is much more reluctant to remove 404'd images from its index again. While those broken results are annoying, too – and unlike Pinterest neither Google nor Bing store (at least publicly) full-resolution copies of those images – at least you can try plugging the preview image into reverse image search and with some luck maybe find an alternative copy of that image that has survived elsewhere.) And finally, the keywords added by Pinterest are possibly also helpful in making images more discoverable. (This might be no longer that relevant now that Google is also running image recognition on the images it indexes and no longer has to solely rely on the hope that any text near that image or the rare "alt"/"title"-text is actually relevant to the image contents, but it might still help a little.)
adolph 4y ago
There is something to be said for a search engine whose interests don't align with, or even better are adversarial to, the prevailing spam sources.
- ra120271 4y ago
  I used to love that about Google News in the early days. A search would give you results from all over the world, with different outlooks and perspectives. I found it enlightening to read against my own selection bias. Then they removed that value point and aligned what they presented with my existing bias - at which point I stopped using it.
  - soundnote 4y ago
    I like Brave's Goggles idea on that front, and for other stuff as well, like curating knowledge domain-specific site boosting lists.
nounaut 4y ago
It looks like it's owned by a Russian company. Does that affect what it allows you to see? I notice for instance that a quick search for "War in Ukraine" returns top results from Russian news outlets calling it a "Military Operation".
- fuckHNtho 4y ago
  i mean yeah, yandex is the #1 russian tech company. literally the russian google.
- danuker 4y ago
  Of course it affects what you see. Search engines are a form of soft power that states can't afford NOT to influence. As a user of them, I make sure to use multiple engines (preferably with distinct indices and jurisdictions) when I research something essential that affects my long-term future. This is because I distrust how politics is done (industry lobbying).
  - narrator 4y ago
    Look at how Larry Page disappeared off to Fiji and just dropped out of the tech and business world. That to me says a lot about what's become of Google.
  - NCC1701DEngage 4y ago
    >As a user of them, I make sure to use multiple engines You may be interested in our alternative YouTube recommendations. Search a channel to find a list of other channels making similar videos. For example, our recommendations for How Money Works include other established econ focused channels like Economics Explained and Money & Macro but also smaller more obscure channels like Wall Street Millennial: https://channelgalaxy.com/id%3DUCkCGANrihzExmu9QiqZpPlQ/ https://channelgalaxy.com/id%3DUCkCGANrihzExmu9QiqZpPlQ/

autoexec 4y ago

Funny that youtube is basically the opposite of google's search which will often only show you results that are relevant to top/recent stories making it very difficult to get results about anything else. It doesn't even have to be that recent in some cases. Searching for "Sandy Hook Elementary" along with just about any other search term is going to give you a page with results about a shooting that took place a decade ago. Searching for a proper noun when they are the top story of the day is pretty much only going to give you that one story.

brigandish 4y ago
I use DDG now but I wish the search tools weren't just last week, last month, last year but greater than a week/month/year so I could discard more recent results. It's quite the puzzle to find ways to remove things, as using the -search-term-I-don't-want or +term-I-do-want is increasingly less reliable, in my experience.
- autoexec 4y ago
  Yeah, google pretty much ignores search modifiers these days and DDG (which I also use) routinely fails to understand what -term means. I still dream of the day we have a search engine that supports regular expressions.
  - brigandish 4y ago
    There was one, back before the great clearing of interesting search engines that Google brought about. I forget its name but I used it for code searches.

rasz 4y ago

Afair this happened after New Zealand Christchurch shooting. YT was full of POV videos of mentally ill idiot going room to room killing people. As a quick fix/backlash the very next day YT search was totally broken and stayed that way.