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Doesn't China put out more C02 than North America and Western Europe combined?

troon-lover 4y ago
nrb 4y ago
That would make sense considering their population is more than those combined, and a mind-boggling amount of manufacturing has been moved there. I imagine you’ll find plenty of people who _also_ want pressure on China to improve, but the western world can’t simply absolve ourselves of the problem we created either.
socialismisok 4y ago
Yes, they produce more than the US (very roughly double) but their per capita is lower. And the US is still a very heavy producer -second in the world .. In this case, both the US and China need to improve
- Ekaros 4y ago
  And USA has to drop it production to be in line per capita with China and maybe even the African countries.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    Most of the USA is pretty far south but they'll struggle to generate energy as cheaply and cleanly as African nations using solar and batteries. Probably just importing stuff from those nations will be required to drop the US carbon intensity further, especially if they don't start catching up with China in renewable rollout. The recent IRA is a step in the right direction but the US doesn't seem to have the political stability required for long term planning, so it could go either way.
senttoschool 4y ago
> Doesn't China put out more C02 than North America and Western Europe combined? Different story if you calculate C02 consumption (instead of production) per capita. People in China are making products for American and Western Europe consumers. Ultimately, most of the responsibility should be in consumers, rather than producers.
- junofan 4y ago
  You can tell whatever story you want. They’re not changing anything over there. The factories are open, the coal is burning, and there’s nothing we can do about it.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Stop buying stuff. Stop making software for stuff?
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    >and there’s nothing we can do about it. Stop buying things made in China. Ask your representatives to disallow importing from China.

nrb 4y ago

That would make sense considering their population is more than those combined, and a mind-boggling amount of manufacturing has been moved there. I imagine you’ll find plenty of people who _also_ want pressure on China to improve, but the western world can’t simply absolve ourselves of the problem we created either.

socialismisok 4y ago

Yes, they produce more than the US (very roughly double) but their per capita is lower. And the US is still a very heavy producer -second in the world .. In this case, both the US and China need to improve

Ekaros 4y ago
And USA has to drop it production to be in line per capita with China and maybe even the African countries.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  Most of the USA is pretty far south but they'll struggle to generate energy as cheaply and cleanly as African nations using solar and batteries. Probably just importing stuff from those nations will be required to drop the US carbon intensity further, especially if they don't start catching up with China in renewable rollout. The recent IRA is a step in the right direction but the US doesn't seem to have the political stability required for long term planning, so it could go either way.

senttoschool 4y ago

> Doesn't China put out more C02 than North America and Western Europe combined? Different story if you calculate C02 consumption (instead of production) per capita. People in China are making products for American and Western Europe consumers. Ultimately, most of the responsibility should be in consumers, rather than producers.

junofan 4y ago
You can tell whatever story you want. They’re not changing anything over there. The factories are open, the coal is burning, and there’s nothing we can do about it.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Stop buying stuff. Stop making software for stuff?
- senttoschool 4y ago
  >and there’s nothing we can do about it. Stop buying things made in China. Ask your representatives to disallow importing from China.