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well, first off I am sorry to hear bad news and wish everyone affected well. Nobody wins in a real emergency and this is a hard job. However, the quote about t

well, first off I am sorry to hear bad news and wish everyone affected well. Nobody wins in a real emergency and this is a hard job. However, the quote about the California Highway Patrol at the bottom is not accidental or naive. There is a security response in California that is being implemented, whereby homeowners and private property owners are geofenced via their phones and other means, and the State of California has broad discretion on how far, and for how long, these emergency responses go on. In other words, road closure was the old tool of the old Calif. Highway Patrol. But the new tools of individual GPS tracking via phone and vehicle, banning entrance and exit to very large areas, for broadly varying amounts of time, is being seized by emergency response agencies in the new times. What is the proof of this? Two things from public sources.. One is the Mayor of a California town near Monterey actually, at a CalFIRE public briefing during an emergency, asking sheepishly how long the road closure to his entire town will be in effect, and the abrupt reply of the Highway Patrol officer on camera "it could be six months" .. Secondly, a website that shows new safety perimeters with status, that are very large (portions of a county) and did not exist as such previously. ask Charlie Crocker at ZoneHaven and see what he says, on the public record

actually_a_dog 4y ago
What's your point? Are you claiming this is good, bad, or neither? What does any of this have to do with literally anything in the article?
- mistrial9 4y ago
  Where are the checks and balances here? How much capacity for tracking in real time is appropriate with private citizens in the USA during emergency response? What is the budget for ZoneHaven and its disclosed or otherwise partners ? public money in emergency response means accountability and lawful transparency, particularly if you want to run for President of the United States, Governor Newsom.
  - actually_a_dog 4y ago
    I don't know the answers to any of those questions, and you haven't shown me anything but rants. Not that this would detract from any argument you made (if you had made one), but you sound like a goddamn lunatic. And again: what does any of this have to do with the article?
    - mistrial9 4y ago
      public safety response is changing in the age of networking and GPS; new policy questions arise about legal and appropriate response between public officials and citizenry.
      - actually_a_dog 4y ago
        Again: what the actual fuck does this have to do with the article? GPS is not mentioned anywhere in there, nor in the linked article with the CHP statement. There's no evidence any of these road closures were implemented with anything other than old-fashioned roadblocks.
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        Do you have anything besides vague handwaving generalities without any specific concern, argument, or connection to the immediate story? Or are you just trying to market ZoneHaven with comically bad fake criticism (a “praising with faint damn” inversion of the cliché “damning with faint praise”)?
        mistrial9 4y ago
        yes I do; this is not the forum for those details
    - mistrial9 4y ago
      > you haven't shown me anything but rants look at the website called ZoneHaven. If you live in California or the USA, maybe you should care about this.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> But the new tools of individual GPS tracking via phone and vehicle, banning entrance and exit to very large areas, for broadly varying amounts of time, is being seized by emergency response agencies in the new times. Seems problematic, since neither people nor vehicles are currently required to have GPS interacting with a central server that could enforce this. > What is the proof of this? Two things from public sources Then why are neither cited, rather than non-verifiably described? EDIT: > ask Charlie Crocker at ZoneHaven and see what he says, on the public record I’m sure, as what you describe would be a major extension of ZoneHaven utility to government that would be a selling point if it did work, the CEO of ZoneHaven would have pretty much the most reason of anyone on the planet to paint it as a thing that was imminent to be widely available and adopted. But that’s a reason to be skeptical of him saying that.
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FateOfNations 4y ago
> However, the quote about the California Highway Patrol at the bottom is not accidental or naive. This isn't some authoritarian power play, they closed the highway because there's about 400 feet between the highway and the battery facility where there was an active lithium metal fire going on. As someone who lives in the vicinity, I can tell you that a larger road closure was also needed for some quite practical reasons: the power plant and adjacent town are fairly isolated and the places to set up closures where traffic can be diverted safely are quite far away.

actually_a_dog 4y ago

What's your point? Are you claiming this is good, bad, or neither? What does any of this have to do with literally anything in the article?

mistrial9 4y ago
Where are the checks and balances here? How much capacity for tracking in real time is appropriate with private citizens in the USA during emergency response? What is the budget for ZoneHaven and its disclosed or otherwise partners ? public money in emergency response means accountability and lawful transparency, particularly if you want to run for President of the United States, Governor Newsom.
- actually_a_dog 4y ago
  I don't know the answers to any of those questions, and you haven't shown me anything but rants. Not that this would detract from any argument you made (if you had made one), but you sound like a goddamn lunatic. And again: what does any of this have to do with the article?
  - mistrial9 4y ago
    public safety response is changing in the age of networking and GPS; new policy questions arise about legal and appropriate response between public officials and citizenry.
    - actually_a_dog 4y ago
      Again: what the actual fuck does this have to do with the article? GPS is not mentioned anywhere in there, nor in the linked article with the CHP statement. There's no evidence any of these road closures were implemented with anything other than old-fashioned roadblocks.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      Do you have anything besides vague handwaving generalities without any specific concern, argument, or connection to the immediate story? Or are you just trying to market ZoneHaven with comically bad fake criticism (a “praising with faint damn” inversion of the cliché “damning with faint praise”)?
      - mistrial9 4y ago
        yes I do; this is not the forum for those details
  - mistrial9 4y ago
    > you haven't shown me anything but rants look at the website called ZoneHaven. If you live in California or the USA, maybe you should care about this.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> But the new tools of individual GPS tracking via phone and vehicle, banning entrance and exit to very large areas, for broadly varying amounts of time, is being seized by emergency response agencies in the new times. Seems problematic, since neither people nor vehicles are currently required to have GPS interacting with a central server that could enforce this. > What is the proof of this? Two things from public sources Then why are neither cited, rather than non-verifiably described? EDIT: > ask Charlie Crocker at ZoneHaven and see what he says, on the public record I’m sure, as what you describe would be a major extension of ZoneHaven utility to government that would be a selling point if it did work, the CEO of ZoneHaven would have pretty much the most reason of anyone on the planet to paint it as a thing that was imminent to be widely available and adopted. But that’s a reason to be skeptical of him saying that.

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FateOfNations 4y ago

> However, the quote about the California Highway Patrol at the bottom is not accidental or naive. This isn't some authoritarian power play, they closed the highway because there's about 400 feet between the highway and the battery facility where there was an active lithium metal fire going on. As someone who lives in the vicinity, I can tell you that a larger road closure was also needed for some quite practical reasons: the power plant and adjacent town are fairly isolated and the places to set up closures where traffic can be diverted safely are quite far away.