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> They're competing against [..] Intel No they aren't. All signs point to ARC's first outing being a swing & a miss, and Intel themselves didn't even have any

> They're competing against [..] Intel No they aren't. All signs point to ARC's first outing being a swing & a miss, and Intel themselves didn't even have any plans to come anywhere close to competing at the top end. Intel's highest end ARC card, the A770, was positioned against the RTX 3060. And Intel is both missing any semblance of a release date it set for itself, but the drivers are also a disaster and rumors are Intel is going to shutter the entire division, focusing only on data center compute cards only. So used cards yes are a factor, yes, but if this really is a 2x performance jump then those aren't going to be a factor here. None of the $1000+ GPU buying market is going to care about saving $100-300 to get half the performance after all. That just lives AMD as competition, and only if RDNA 3 comes out a winner. Which the rumor mill is saying it will be, but AMD's graphics track record is spotty to put it mildly. I'm sure Nvidia's internal plan is to just cut prices if RDNA 3 surprisingly competes at the top end instead of just the midrange, but in the meantime is happy to take those fat fat margins.

meragrin_ 4y ago
> That just lives AMD as competition, and only if RDNA 3 comes out a winner. The RX 6650 XT is in the same price bracket as the RTX 3050. I'm not sure they would be considered competition even if RX 77whatever were in the same price bracket as the RTX 3050. Nvidia just seems to push just the right buttons on the software features which AMD just cannot seem to get. Don't get me wrong. I would love AMD to be competition. They should frankly team up with Intel. AMD has the hardware and Intel can provide the software. Don't see that happening considering AMD went alone on their FP8 proposal and everyone else joined up on a separate paper.
- kllrnohj 4y ago
  Intel's GPU software is currently, and always has been, a complete disaster. AMD's software is miles ahead of Intel's. Nvidia does have more stuff if you care about it though, although the suite of that is increasingly becoming more annoying than valuable. Like GeForce experience constantly demanding to be logged in & collecting telemetry so I can do... Driver updates? So dumb. But there's occasionally the random great piece of software like DLSS 2 or RTX Voice, definitely. AMD kinda tries with stuff like FSR or Anti-Lag, it's just not as well done as Nvidia's version.

meragrin_ 4y ago

> That just lives AMD as competition, and only if RDNA 3 comes out a winner. The RX 6650 XT is in the same price bracket as the RTX 3050. I'm not sure they would be considered competition even if RX 77whatever were in the same price bracket as the RTX 3050. Nvidia just seems to push just the right buttons on the software features which AMD just cannot seem to get. Don't get me wrong. I would love AMD to be competition. They should frankly team up with Intel. AMD has the hardware and Intel can provide the software. Don't see that happening considering AMD went alone on their FP8 proposal and everyone else joined up on a separate paper.

kllrnohj 4y ago
Intel's GPU software is currently, and always has been, a complete disaster. AMD's software is miles ahead of Intel's. Nvidia does have more stuff if you care about it though, although the suite of that is increasingly becoming more annoying than valuable. Like GeForce experience constantly demanding to be logged in & collecting telemetry so I can do... Driver updates? So dumb. But there's occasionally the random great piece of software like DLSS 2 or RTX Voice, definitely. AMD kinda tries with stuff like FSR or Anti-Lag, it's just not as well done as Nvidia's version.