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During the shortage, AMD kept their reference units at MSRP (I was able to pick up a 6800 XT at $649 through sheer luck when others I knew were spending upwards

During the shortage, AMD kept their reference units at MSRP (I was able to pick up a 6800 XT at $649 through sheer luck when others I knew were spending upwards of $1200 on GPUs). With supply loosening up, I expect AMD will continue to play the good guy to steal market share and keep prices sane in comparison to Nvidia's play.

paulmd 4y ago
NVIDIA kept founders edition cards at MSRP too. what implication are you trying to draw from that as far as whether MSRP is good or not?
- spookie 4y ago
  You could buy GPUs directly from AMD, which also had measures in place to ensure no scalpers had the upper hand. This would happen at a certain time of a certain day almost every week, so you could get one if you were patient enough. Meanwhile NVIDIA stopped production pre-holiday season last year in an attempt to bolster their company value to 1 trillion dollars. Quite a risky play that didn't pay off [1]. [1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-allegedly-halting-RTX-3000-production-this-October-to-keep-prices-as-high-as-possible-until-1H22.573312.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-allegedly-halting-RTX-3...
  - paulmd 4y ago
    AMD outsources it to DigitalRiver, NVIDIA has done that in the past but this time they outsourced to BestBuy (with contractual requirements to sell at MSRP). Both BestBuy and AMD take some nominal measures against bots but it's always been a problem for both sites. > Meanwhile NVIDIA stopped production pre-holiday season last year in an attempt to bolster their company value to 1 trillion dollars. Quite a risky play that didn't pay off [1]. The source for that article MLID and wasn't borne out by actual production numbers. Actually there was a nominal rise in shipments in holiday '21. https://www.jonpeddie.com/press-releases/q421-sees-a-nominal-rise-in-gpu-and-pc-shipments-quarter-to-quarter/ https://www.jonpeddie.com/press-releases/q421-sees-a-nominal... Also, we're currently in a huge glut so obviously there was no availability problem in early Q1 '22 or Q2 '22 either - like, why is pulling back production for 2022 a bad thing, when you're already sitting on a huge stockpile of chips? Were they supposed to keep cranking and make the glut even worse? People take these techtubers as gospel and a lot of what they say just ends up somewhere between slanted perspective and factually incorrect. But people are willing to believe literally anything as long as it paints NVIDIA in a bad light - just like people went from being absolutely sure that partners were scalping gpus and selling right into mining farms, but then the EVGA CEO says he didn't make any money at all during the mining boom and NVIDIA was capping prices and forcing him to sell at a loss suddenly everyone forgets about the board partners selling $2,000 3080s in their first-party stores. Or the "800-900w TGP" rumors for 4080 that ended up being off by double. https://videocardz.com/newz/flagship-nvidia-ada-sku-might-feature-18176-cores-48gb-memory-and-800w-tdp https://videocardz.com/newz/flagship-nvidia-ada-sku-might-fe... There is just a ton of anti-nvidia sentiment in general and it completely distorts everyone's perception of reality. People will believe any random thing, even if it disagrees with common sense, or their own personal observations, as long as it scratches that "green man bad" itch. And there is a whole little cottage industry of people like MLID and kopite7kimi who thrive on catering to it for clicks. Once those negative frames get started, they don't go away, even if the information used to construct them later turns out to be false. But people rushing to the defense of poor board partners who say they didn't make any money at all during the crypto boom, heck we actually lost money really takes the cake imo, like that's either actual goldfish-tier memory or massive "green man bad" brain, take your pick. They're the ones who handle sales of all the mining cards too - NVIDIA doesn't run that directly either, it's all partners. https://videocardz.com/newz/first-nvidia-cmp-crypto-mining-processor-has-been-pictured https://videocardz.com/newz/first-nvidia-cmp-crypto-mining-p...
    - mechanical_bear 4y ago
      > …green man bad… That is indeed the most succinct way of putting it.

paulmd 4y ago

NVIDIA kept founders edition cards at MSRP too. what implication are you trying to draw from that as far as whether MSRP is good or not?

spookie 4y ago
You could buy GPUs directly from AMD, which also had measures in place to ensure no scalpers had the upper hand. This would happen at a certain time of a certain day almost every week, so you could get one if you were patient enough. Meanwhile NVIDIA stopped production pre-holiday season last year in an attempt to bolster their company value to 1 trillion dollars. Quite a risky play that didn't pay off [1]. [1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-allegedly-halting-RTX-3000-production-this-October-to-keep-prices-as-high-as-possible-until-1H22.573312.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-allegedly-halting-RTX-3...
- paulmd 4y ago
  AMD outsources it to DigitalRiver, NVIDIA has done that in the past but this time they outsourced to BestBuy (with contractual requirements to sell at MSRP). Both BestBuy and AMD take some nominal measures against bots but it's always been a problem for both sites. > Meanwhile NVIDIA stopped production pre-holiday season last year in an attempt to bolster their company value to 1 trillion dollars. Quite a risky play that didn't pay off [1]. The source for that article MLID and wasn't borne out by actual production numbers. Actually there was a nominal rise in shipments in holiday '21. https://www.jonpeddie.com/press-releases/q421-sees-a-nominal-rise-in-gpu-and-pc-shipments-quarter-to-quarter/ https://www.jonpeddie.com/press-releases/q421-sees-a-nominal... Also, we're currently in a huge glut so obviously there was no availability problem in early Q1 '22 or Q2 '22 either - like, why is pulling back production for 2022 a bad thing, when you're already sitting on a huge stockpile of chips? Were they supposed to keep cranking and make the glut even worse? People take these techtubers as gospel and a lot of what they say just ends up somewhere between slanted perspective and factually incorrect. But people are willing to believe literally anything as long as it paints NVIDIA in a bad light - just like people went from being absolutely sure that partners were scalping gpus and selling right into mining farms, but then the EVGA CEO says he didn't make any money at all during the mining boom and NVIDIA was capping prices and forcing him to sell at a loss suddenly everyone forgets about the board partners selling $2,000 3080s in their first-party stores. Or the "800-900w TGP" rumors for 4080 that ended up being off by double. https://videocardz.com/newz/flagship-nvidia-ada-sku-might-feature-18176-cores-48gb-memory-and-800w-tdp https://videocardz.com/newz/flagship-nvidia-ada-sku-might-fe... There is just a ton of anti-nvidia sentiment in general and it completely distorts everyone's perception of reality. People will believe any random thing, even if it disagrees with common sense, or their own personal observations, as long as it scratches that "green man bad" itch. And there is a whole little cottage industry of people like MLID and kopite7kimi who thrive on catering to it for clicks. Once those negative frames get started, they don't go away, even if the information used to construct them later turns out to be false. But people rushing to the defense of poor board partners who say they didn't make any money at all during the crypto boom, heck we actually lost money really takes the cake imo, like that's either actual goldfish-tier memory or massive "green man bad" brain, take your pick. They're the ones who handle sales of all the mining cards too - NVIDIA doesn't run that directly either, it's all partners. https://videocardz.com/newz/first-nvidia-cmp-crypto-mining-processor-has-been-pictured https://videocardz.com/newz/first-nvidia-cmp-crypto-mining-p...
  - mechanical_bear 4y ago
    > …green man bad… That is indeed the most succinct way of putting it.