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There is plenty of evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, to the point where it's impossible to say they did not with a straight face. Just becau

There is plenty of evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, to the point where it's impossible to say they did not with a straight face. Just because it wasn't directly "hacked" doesn't mean there was not overwhelming evidence of interference. But in the end, very few people considered that election "stolen".

whiddershins 4y ago
If Russia can be said to have interfered in the 2016 election, a literal cabal (their words not mine) certainly ‘interfered’ in 2020. https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. An information campaign and a disinformation campaign are hardly the same.
- standardUser 4y ago
  Domestic groups and individuals are expected to be involved in elections. Foreign ones, by law, are not. An obvious difference and I doubt you're unaware of it.
- babypuncher 4y ago
  Providing voters with accurate information about how and where they can cast their ballot is not the same as buying ad space on Facebook to run ads with doctored images and outright false information.
  - mgkimsal 4y ago
    > false information Can we normalize just saying "lies" when things are lies?
- elliekelly 4y ago
  The Intercept published an interesting (and, I suspect, related) article[1] today about the chamber of commerce no longer being the darling of the GOP. Retribution for not loyally supporting the big election lie, perhaps? [1]https://theintercept.com/2022/09/19/house-republicans-chamber-commerce/ https://theintercept.com/2022/09/19/house-republicans-chambe...
douglasroth3 4y ago
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- themitigating 4y ago
  How many democrats voted against certifying election results compared to 2020. How much news time was dedicated to discussing these claims. How many court cases occurred because of them. How many people attacked government buildings? Did the Democrats attempt to send a second set of electors? Did any Democrat state party make false claims of election fraud part of their platform? "We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States," https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-republican-party-passes-resolution-denying-legitimacy-of-bidens-victory-in-presidential-election/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-republican-party-passes-r...
  - hgfddnfhgf 4y ago
    - mgkimsal 4y ago
      Hrm... that article just says "protestors" - doesn't mention party affiliation.
      - hgfdhgdfhgf 4y ago
    - bogwog 4y ago
      1. That had nothing to do with the 2016 election, it was about George Floyd 2. Democrats are not the only people who were (are) pissed about the murder of George Floyd
      - hgfdhgdfhgf 4y ago

whiddershins 4y ago

If Russia can be said to have interfered in the 2016 election, a literal cabal (their words not mine) certainly ‘interfered’ in 2020. https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

ceejayoz 4y ago
> They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction. An information campaign and a disinformation campaign are hardly the same.
standardUser 4y ago
Domestic groups and individuals are expected to be involved in elections. Foreign ones, by law, are not. An obvious difference and I doubt you're unaware of it.
babypuncher 4y ago
Providing voters with accurate information about how and where they can cast their ballot is not the same as buying ad space on Facebook to run ads with doctored images and outright false information.
- mgkimsal 4y ago
  > false information Can we normalize just saying "lies" when things are lies?
elliekelly 4y ago
The Intercept published an interesting (and, I suspect, related) article[1] today about the chamber of commerce no longer being the darling of the GOP. Retribution for not loyally supporting the big election lie, perhaps? [1]https://theintercept.com/2022/09/19/house-republicans-chamber-commerce/ https://theintercept.com/2022/09/19/house-republicans-chambe...

douglasroth3 4y ago

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themitigating 4y ago
How many democrats voted against certifying election results compared to 2020. How much news time was dedicated to discussing these claims. How many court cases occurred because of them. How many people attacked government buildings? Did the Democrats attempt to send a second set of electors? Did any Democrat state party make false claims of election fraud part of their platform? "We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States," https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-republican-party-passes-resolution-denying-legitimacy-of-bidens-victory-in-presidential-election/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-republican-party-passes-r...
- hgfddnfhgf 4y ago
  - mgkimsal 4y ago
    Hrm... that article just says "protestors" - doesn't mention party affiliation.
    - hgfdhgdfhgf 4y ago
  - bogwog 4y ago
    1. That had nothing to do with the 2016 election, it was about George Floyd 2. Democrats are not the only people who were (are) pissed about the murder of George Floyd
    - hgfdhgdfhgf 4y ago