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Take your anti-semitism out of HN. Israel’s Knesset is composed of religious and secular parties, the 2nd largest party today is a secular liberal party.

Kukumber 4y ago
How is that anti-semitism? it's anti-obscurantism, and my comment is valid for both Israel and Palestime, as the article mentions, both are the bottleneck of humankind, also valid for the Church in the US, silencing, hiding and destroying Aztec/Maya and Indian heritage As well as Iraq's heritage, all gone
- invalidname 4y ago
  Can you reference a single antiquity destroyed by Israel since its formation?
  - Nomentatus 4y ago
    The odd case is the dead sea scrolls; "Nimmer has shown how this freedom was in the theory of law applicable, but how it did not exist in reality as the Israeli Antiquities Authority tightly controlled access to the scrolls and photographs of the scrolls." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls#Ownership_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls#Ownership_dis... Not destruction, but seeming suppression. (Perhaps with more Catholic than Jewish intervention, if memory serves.) Since that time religious freedom, re publication has in fact declined in Isreal under pressure from the religious right, although this applies more to what can be sold in bookstores in Isreal.
    - invalidname 4y ago
      This is the exact opposite. Those scrolls were initially discovered in an era when no one knew how to properly treat papers like that. They literally crumbled under the light. This created a serious danger of inadvertent destruction of these important documents so the access to the physical documents is highly restricted. The content is scanned and available online for all. The problem is made worse by rich collectors (mostly from the USA) who pay for fake scrolls often to justify some religious view. There was a pretty interesting documentary (I believe from Vice if I remember correctly) on this subject. Again, Israel is a secular country. 26% of Israeli citizens aren't Jewish. Of the people classified as Jews, secular are the VAST majority and control all branches of government. I won't say there's no influence of religion but in many regards but its influence is on par with the influence in the USA.
      - Nomentatus 4y ago
        The discovery wasn't by Isreal, but Jordan. No idea where fake scrolls fit in here.
        invalidname 4y ago
        The initial discovery was before Israel was formed so not accurate. The moment money is involved that means more of theft of future discovery and potentially of the existing scrolls.

Kukumber 4y ago

How is that anti-semitism? it's anti-obscurantism, and my comment is valid for both Israel and Palestime, as the article mentions, both are the bottleneck of humankind, also valid for the Church in the US, silencing, hiding and destroying Aztec/Maya and Indian heritage As well as Iraq's heritage, all gone

invalidname 4y ago
Can you reference a single antiquity destroyed by Israel since its formation?
- Nomentatus 4y ago
  The odd case is the dead sea scrolls; "Nimmer has shown how this freedom was in the theory of law applicable, but how it did not exist in reality as the Israeli Antiquities Authority tightly controlled access to the scrolls and photographs of the scrolls." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls#Ownership_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls#Ownership_dis... Not destruction, but seeming suppression. (Perhaps with more Catholic than Jewish intervention, if memory serves.) Since that time religious freedom, re publication has in fact declined in Isreal under pressure from the religious right, although this applies more to what can be sold in bookstores in Isreal.
  - invalidname 4y ago
    This is the exact opposite. Those scrolls were initially discovered in an era when no one knew how to properly treat papers like that. They literally crumbled under the light. This created a serious danger of inadvertent destruction of these important documents so the access to the physical documents is highly restricted. The content is scanned and available online for all. The problem is made worse by rich collectors (mostly from the USA) who pay for fake scrolls often to justify some religious view. There was a pretty interesting documentary (I believe from Vice if I remember correctly) on this subject. Again, Israel is a secular country. 26% of Israeli citizens aren't Jewish. Of the people classified as Jews, secular are the VAST majority and control all branches of government. I won't say there's no influence of religion but in many regards but its influence is on par with the influence in the USA.
    - Nomentatus 4y ago
      The discovery wasn't by Isreal, but Jordan. No idea where fake scrolls fit in here.
      - invalidname 4y ago
        The initial discovery was before Israel was formed so not accurate. The moment money is involved that means more of theft of future discovery and potentially of the existing scrolls.