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Europe: 4090 - 1949EUR 4080 16GB - 1469EUR 4080 12GB - 1099EUR LOL I think NVidia decided to write off European market completely.

by bitL 4y ago

Ekaros 4y ago
Maybe I'm just poor, but I'm really starting to think that prices for top end electronics have reached stupid levels. Be it phones or GPUs and CPUs...
- bitL 4y ago
  Yeah, a 4090 is still cheaper than a full-spec iPhone 14 Pro Max ;-)
CrazyStat 4y ago
> I think NVidia decided to write off European market completely. Those prices are basically US price + VAT (US prices don't include sales tax). $1600 + 21% VAT (Median EU VAT) gives $1936.
- bitL 4y ago
  It used to be the same price in EUR as in USD, i.e. 3090 was $1499 and 1499EUR. So they decided to forfeit the market I guess.
  - chao- 4y ago
    For most of that time, the Euro was worth more than USD. The exchange has been dancing around the parity line since June. It may still be roughly the same price in USD->EUR.
    - bitL 4y ago
      Sure, but the salaries in the EU didn't go up 20% in the same time so Nvidia is clearly not targeting the same segment of the population anymore, but a 20% richer segment now. Companies adjust pricing to different markets all the time, but for some reason Nvidia didn't do it this time and EU consumers are much more price sensitive than US ones, so EU will likely turn red or blue in the near future and green will lose its hold. Also with crypto gone and cost of living increasing sharply I think this is a huge miscalculation on Nvidia's side and this will burn them.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        People buying expensive GPUs never really struggled with increased cost of living. For the budget sector the difference between a 300 Euro card and a 500 Euro card is significant but for the enthusiasts or business owners it doesn't matter if it's 1800 euros instead of 1500 Euros, they'll still buy it. Nvidia wants to be the Porsche of cards, not the VW, so they're pricing themselves accordingly.
        bitL 4y ago
        I am in their "Porsche buyer" category as I bought 1x RTX A6000, 1x Titan RTX and 4x RTX 3090 for Deep Learning, but I am staying away from 4090 until they get some sense with pricing. From my point of view, 2x NVLinked 3090s give me the same benefit as one 4090 at 150W higher power consumption and nothing is super appealing about 4090 until drivers on Linux and PyTorch/TensorFlow implementation get stable enough for production use which took like 6 months last time, so there is no pressure in buying it.
        fomine3 4y ago
        Nvidia wants to sell many products, unlike Porsche
      - paulmd 4y ago
        NVIDIA not giving you a 20% discount on their hardware to adjust for currency exchange rates isn't really the scandal you think it is. I really really wish during the last 20 years when the euro was higher that I would have gotten a "USD discount" on all my purchases from the EU, but that's not how it works.
        bitL 4y ago
        Nvidia's manufacturing is in Taiwan. US has traditionally much lower prices on electronics than the EU, now with this change EU is completely priced out. SWengs don't earn 800k there, but typically plateau at around 100k at late stages of their careers. This will have a major impact on Nvidia's ability to service EU market. If you tried to buy something from EU in the past, you probably had to pay large import duties which likely skewed your perception.
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nivenkos 4y ago
More than my mortgage payment, utter insanity. And to think you can get an Xbox Series X for around 500 EUR now. PC Gaming is dead.
- andybak 4y ago
  Why do you need a 4xxx for PC gaming? A 1070/1080 is still a very decent card. There's no game released that won't run at reasonable res/fps on 1xxx series cards.
  - bitL 4y ago
    10x0 are old, they are starting to break down due to wear already.
    - izacus 4y ago
      So get a 4050 or whatever will the midrange bit. PC gaming was never more alive than those last two years.
      - robocat 4y ago
        Agree: the PC gaming market size[1] continues to grow and is definitely very very alive. I am guessing the dead rumour is because the console market is growing faster. Conveniently ignoring that the mobile market is growing faster than the console market (mobile has 50% of market value by some analyses). Conversely, AAA games are mostly not exclusive to PC keyboard/mouse control (games market could be split by input devices: mobile touchscreen, console controller, PC keyboard + mouse). [1] https://images.app.goo.gl/nBwmed8WfvXeNWPu6 https://images.app.goo.gl/nBwmed8WfvXeNWPu6

Europe: 4090 - 1949EUR 4080 16GB - 1469EUR 4080 12GB - 1099EUR LOL I think NVidia decided to write off European market completely.

by bitL 4y ago

Europe: 4090 - 1949EUR 4080 16GB - 1469EUR 4080 12GB - 1099EUR LOL I think NVidia decided to write off European market completely.

Ekaros 4y ago

Maybe I'm just poor, but I'm really starting to think that prices for top end electronics have reached stupid levels. Be it phones or GPUs and CPUs...

bitL 4y ago
Yeah, a 4090 is still cheaper than a full-spec iPhone 14 Pro Max ;-)

CrazyStat 4y ago

> I think NVidia decided to write off European market completely. Those prices are basically US price + VAT (US prices don't include sales tax). $1600 + 21% VAT (Median EU VAT) gives $1936.

bitL 4y ago
It used to be the same price in EUR as in USD, i.e. 3090 was $1499 and 1499EUR. So they decided to forfeit the market I guess.
- chao- 4y ago
  For most of that time, the Euro was worth more than USD. The exchange has been dancing around the parity line since June. It may still be roughly the same price in USD->EUR.
  - bitL 4y ago
    Sure, but the salaries in the EU didn't go up 20% in the same time so Nvidia is clearly not targeting the same segment of the population anymore, but a 20% richer segment now. Companies adjust pricing to different markets all the time, but for some reason Nvidia didn't do it this time and EU consumers are much more price sensitive than US ones, so EU will likely turn red or blue in the near future and green will lose its hold. Also with crypto gone and cost of living increasing sharply I think this is a huge miscalculation on Nvidia's side and this will burn them.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      People buying expensive GPUs never really struggled with increased cost of living. For the budget sector the difference between a 300 Euro card and a 500 Euro card is significant but for the enthusiasts or business owners it doesn't matter if it's 1800 euros instead of 1500 Euros, they'll still buy it. Nvidia wants to be the Porsche of cards, not the VW, so they're pricing themselves accordingly.
      - bitL 4y ago
        I am in their "Porsche buyer" category as I bought 1x RTX A6000, 1x Titan RTX and 4x RTX 3090 for Deep Learning, but I am staying away from 4090 until they get some sense with pricing. From my point of view, 2x NVLinked 3090s give me the same benefit as one 4090 at 150W higher power consumption and nothing is super appealing about 4090 until drivers on Linux and PyTorch/TensorFlow implementation get stable enough for production use which took like 6 months last time, so there is no pressure in buying it.
      - fomine3 4y ago
        Nvidia wants to sell many products, unlike Porsche
    - paulmd 4y ago
      NVIDIA not giving you a 20% discount on their hardware to adjust for currency exchange rates isn't really the scandal you think it is. I really really wish during the last 20 years when the euro was higher that I would have gotten a "USD discount" on all my purchases from the EU, but that's not how it works.
      - bitL 4y ago
        Nvidia's manufacturing is in Taiwan. US has traditionally much lower prices on electronics than the EU, now with this change EU is completely priced out. SWengs don't earn 800k there, but typically plateau at around 100k at late stages of their careers. This will have a major impact on Nvidia's ability to service EU market. If you tried to buy something from EU in the past, you probably had to pay large import duties which likely skewed your perception.
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nivenkos 4y ago

More than my mortgage payment, utter insanity. And to think you can get an Xbox Series X for around 500 EUR now. PC Gaming is dead.

andybak 4y ago
Why do you need a 4xxx for PC gaming? A 1070/1080 is still a very decent card. There's no game released that won't run at reasonable res/fps on 1xxx series cards.
- bitL 4y ago
  10x0 are old, they are starting to break down due to wear already.
  - izacus 4y ago
    So get a 4050 or whatever will the midrange bit. PC gaming was never more alive than those last two years.
    - robocat 4y ago
      Agree: the PC gaming market size[1] continues to grow and is definitely very very alive. I am guessing the dead rumour is because the console market is growing faster. Conveniently ignoring that the mobile market is growing faster than the console market (mobile has 50% of market value by some analyses). Conversely, AAA games are mostly not exclusive to PC keyboard/mouse control (games market could be split by input devices: mobile touchscreen, console controller, PC keyboard + mouse). [1] https://images.app.goo.gl/nBwmed8WfvXeNWPu6 https://images.app.goo.gl/nBwmed8WfvXeNWPu6