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I would actually be quite interested in seeing some numbers to back that up, but I'm not sure if there have been studies on the damage of mining yet. In some w

by mckirk 4y ago

I would actually be quite interested in seeing some numbers to back that up, but I'm not sure if there have been studies on the damage of mining yet. In some ways, letting a GPU run at a constant load (and thus constant temperature) is less damaging than a typical gaming workload I imagine, where the temperature fluctuates often. In other ways it probably isn't (e.g. atoms of the chip 'migrating' over time with the constant electron flow, though I have no idea how much of an issue that is with modern chips).

thefz 4y ago
Do you have any idea about where these were kept? Not all mining operations are commercial-like white rooms with people going around in sealed suits. Maybe someone had half a dozen cards in his chicken coop, exposed to dust and moisture and energy fluctuations. You will never know. Would you happily buy that at say, 50% MSRP?
- sanguy 4y ago
  Yes.
  - 0x0f_4 4y ago
    same
- seanp2k2 4y ago
  As long as there isn't any corrosion that will lead to premature failure, I don't care. Dust is easy to clean off and I would expect anyone trying to sell a $500+ GPU to at least try to clean it up a bit. Even if not, I have an air compressor and a blow gun. "Energy fluctuations"...what? Power supplies and VRMs are built to deal with this. Check your home with a power analyzer with a high sampling rate and see what happens when your AC kicks on. At the same time, measure the 12v rail going into your GPU when that's happening.
  - genocidicbunny 4y ago
    How do you tell there's no corrosion though? You need to at the very least take off any coolers on the card and look at the PCB itself to have some level of confidence that there's no damage, and even then I've seen corrosion sneak under components where you need to pay really close attention to notice it. If I can inspect a card in person, I would be plenty happy to buy an ex-mining card, but most of these are going to be sold online sight-unseen. This isn't a problem exclusive to mining cards though; people have been selling damaged GPUs as 'working' for years.
- phil21 4y ago
  > Would you happily buy that at say, 50% MSRP? Yup, assuming it works and checks out the first 24 hours I have it. Solid state electronics are pretty robust. If they survive whatever torture you put them through plus being shipped to my door, chances are it will work just fine. In my experience there are some problematic GPU models that are more prone to early failure under heavy use (HD6990 I'm looking at you!), but they are more rare than legend may lead folks to believe. At an appropriate discount it's far cheaper to just buy these at pennies on the dollar and just be alright with self-insuring for a rather rare early failure. When you can buy 2 or 3 for the price of new, it starts to get rather compelling.
kllrnohj 4y ago
> I would actually be quite interested in seeing some numbers to back that up, but I'm not sure if there have been studies on the damage of mining yet. The few investigations have generally found mining cards are perfectly fine and if anything above-average in used quality. Because yes the primary damage is from thermal cycles, not just being on. And since mining is a constant load & constant environment, it has very few thermal cycles. And miners primarily care about efficiency, so they're power-limiting them[1] which further reduces strain on the cards. Fans might be closer to death than a typical used card would be, but on pretty much any GPU those are cheap & easy to replace. That's really the only "risk" 1: And before someone inevitable scoffs at this, it's common enough that this is built into tools like nicehash. It's literally "click 1 button" territory, not exactly something a miner wouldn't attempt.

by mckirk 4y ago

thefz 4y ago

Do you have any idea about where these were kept? Not all mining operations are commercial-like white rooms with people going around in sealed suits. Maybe someone had half a dozen cards in his chicken coop, exposed to dust and moisture and energy fluctuations. You will never know. Would you happily buy that at say, 50% MSRP?

sanguy 4y ago
Yes.
- 0x0f_4 4y ago
  same
seanp2k2 4y ago
As long as there isn't any corrosion that will lead to premature failure, I don't care. Dust is easy to clean off and I would expect anyone trying to sell a $500+ GPU to at least try to clean it up a bit. Even if not, I have an air compressor and a blow gun. "Energy fluctuations"...what? Power supplies and VRMs are built to deal with this. Check your home with a power analyzer with a high sampling rate and see what happens when your AC kicks on. At the same time, measure the 12v rail going into your GPU when that's happening.
- genocidicbunny 4y ago
  How do you tell there's no corrosion though? You need to at the very least take off any coolers on the card and look at the PCB itself to have some level of confidence that there's no damage, and even then I've seen corrosion sneak under components where you need to pay really close attention to notice it. If I can inspect a card in person, I would be plenty happy to buy an ex-mining card, but most of these are going to be sold online sight-unseen. This isn't a problem exclusive to mining cards though; people have been selling damaged GPUs as 'working' for years.
phil21 4y ago
> Would you happily buy that at say, 50% MSRP? Yup, assuming it works and checks out the first 24 hours I have it. Solid state electronics are pretty robust. If they survive whatever torture you put them through plus being shipped to my door, chances are it will work just fine. In my experience there are some problematic GPU models that are more prone to early failure under heavy use (HD6990 I'm looking at you!), but they are more rare than legend may lead folks to believe. At an appropriate discount it's far cheaper to just buy these at pennies on the dollar and just be alright with self-insuring for a rather rare early failure. When you can buy 2 or 3 for the price of new, it starts to get rather compelling.

kllrnohj 4y ago

> I would actually be quite interested in seeing some numbers to back that up, but I'm not sure if there have been studies on the damage of mining yet. The few investigations have generally found mining cards are perfectly fine and if anything above-average in used quality. Because yes the primary damage is from thermal cycles, not just being on. And since mining is a constant load & constant environment, it has very few thermal cycles. And miners primarily care about efficiency, so they're power-limiting them[1] which further reduces strain on the cards. Fans might be closer to death than a typical used card would be, but on pretty much any GPU those are cheap & easy to replace. That's really the only "risk" 1: And before someone inevitable scoffs at this, it's common enough that this is built into tools like nicehash. It's literally "click 1 button" territory, not exactly something a miner wouldn't attempt.