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The planet thanks you for shutting down. Don't worry, I'd say the same for any tobacco executive.

latchkey 4y ago
Our power is unused hydro, in a geographic location full of other data centers for all the large tech companies. This comment is just your continued trolling with your anti-crypto trope. Please try another tactic. Update: I got downvoted to -4 on this one after getting several upvotes. Makes me think that articbull has multiple accounts and is just gaming the system.
- mattwilsonn888 4y ago
  Not only have I debated this person multiple times, but on a search about settlement a HN thread came up and he had the top comment citing the infamous Mora et al study which makes the naive assumption that required hash for a proof of work network scales linearly with transaction volume, rather than block volume (which come at a constant rate no matter what the total hash is). This person is a successful troll, and a pathetic thinker.
- arcticbull 4y ago
  There's no such thing. That power should be connected to the grid instead of wasted or put to productive use, not to mention all those GPUs that are about to head for the landfill after a long life of guessing random numbers and warming up the outside. Wasting the power for money disincentivizes storage and grid connection.
  - latchkey 4y ago
    You are hilarious, your crypto hatred has clouded your judgement. Since you have so much karma here, you don't mind saying silly things and losing points left and right. Transmission of power is expensive and lossy. These data centers are in a very remote location that isn't heavily populated. That's why they are there to begin with! The power would absolutely go to waste otherwise. That's also why we picked that area... power was cheap because it wasn't being used. Our GPUs are 'new old stock'. They were already produced, sitting in warehouses not doing anything, and would have gone to waste anyway. Update: Similar with the downvotes...
    - arcticbull 4y ago
      > You are hilarious, your crypto hatred has clouded your judgement. Since you have so much karma here, you don't mind saying silly things and losing points left and right. First question, where do you think I got most of the karma? Sentiment here is broadly against crypto and has been for years (although it comes and goes). The pro side is loud, but enjoys far less support than you might imagine. > Transmission of power is expensive and lossy. No, it isn't. Transmission of power is super efficient. The EIA says the US lost only 5% of its electricity to T&D over the 2016-2020 period. [1] Expensive it may be, but that's not a reason not to do it. A single long power line from Boston to LA would only see ~25% loss from one end to the other. The whole Ohm's law thing (P=IV), we use transformers that are 99%+ efficient to raise the voltage to ~345kV and big fat wires to reduce current and resistance and hence transmission line losses. > That's also why we picked that area... power was cheap because it wasn't being used. It should be used to do something productive, not generate e-waste. > Our GPUs are 'new old stock'. They were already produced, sitting in warehouses not doing anything, and would have gone to waste anyway. Or, prices would have gone down and more people would have bought them. I can't see 3060s getting scrapped due to lack of demand when they were going for $850 a pop. [1] https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=105&t=3 https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=105&t=3
      - latchkey 4y ago
        > Sentiment here is broadly against crypto and has been for years. Agreed. However, I'd hope that 'against crypto' was less of one dude ranting endlessly, which is really boring and should get down voted. > Transmission of power is super efficient. We're not talking about efficiency. Transmission is expensive. Which goes beyond efficiency. You have to factor in the cost of the lines themselves, which are based on distance. I've seen these costs first hand, have you? > It should be used to do something productive, not generate e-waste. Oh yes, please define productive for me. > Or, prices would have gone down and more people would have bought them. They weren't for sale to the public. Nor would they ever have been. > I can't see 3060s getting scrapped due to lack of demand when they were going for $850 a pop. Huh? This whole thread is about RX4xx, which is what my cards are.
- schoen 4y ago
  According to the HN moderators, if you suspect someone is manipulating votes in some way, you're supposed to e-mail the moderators to have them look at it rather than making an accusation in your post.
  - latchkey 4y ago
    Sure. Apologies for calling that out in my update. That said, I don't feel it is worth @dang's time to waste on validating if someone with 24k karma is using fake accounts. As soon as I posted that update, the karma on the comment reversed.
- robocat 4y ago
  > downvoted You are very likely mistaking normal HN herd behaviour - plenty of people are going to think bullshit to “unused hydro”. Also “Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.” and “Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.” - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html If you assume that HN is full of good people, and respond accordingly, you will learn more and have more fun. If you assume HN is full of bad people causing trouble, why would you stick around? Good communities are built upon trusting cooperators and learning the valid signals of trust.
  - latchkey 4y ago
    Right after that update, I went from -4 to +2. > plenty of people are going to think bullshit to “unused hydro”. Maybe... but the way I went up and then suddenly went down to -4, was super odd. > If you assume that HN is full of good people, and respond accordingly, you will learn more and have more fun.. I've been around here, with an account, since 2009. It is the only community I participate in any more. I believe that HN is full of great people and that the content is about as good as you're going to get these days. This is why accounts such as articbull are becoming boring to me. All it is is anti-crypto hatred that is often not fully factual. Equating me to a tobacco exec is just icing on the cake. Sorry for calling that out.
superjan 4y ago
I don’t particularly like crypto but I don’t think we need to rehash the same debate again. Isn’t it interesting to hear what this guy is going to do? Passing judgement does not improve the conversation.

Our power is unused hydro, in a geographic location full of other data centers for all the large tech companies. This comment is just your continued trolling with your anti-crypto trope. Please try another tactic. Update: I got downvoted to -4 on this one after getting several upvotes. Makes me think that articbull has multiple accounts and is just gaming the system.

mattwilsonn888 4y ago
Not only have I debated this person multiple times, but on a search about settlement a HN thread came up and he had the top comment citing the infamous Mora et al study which makes the naive assumption that required hash for a proof of work network scales linearly with transaction volume, rather than block volume (which come at a constant rate no matter what the total hash is). This person is a successful troll, and a pathetic thinker.
arcticbull 4y ago
There's no such thing. That power should be connected to the grid instead of wasted or put to productive use, not to mention all those GPUs that are about to head for the landfill after a long life of guessing random numbers and warming up the outside. Wasting the power for money disincentivizes storage and grid connection.
- latchkey 4y ago
  You are hilarious, your crypto hatred has clouded your judgement. Since you have so much karma here, you don't mind saying silly things and losing points left and right. Transmission of power is expensive and lossy. These data centers are in a very remote location that isn't heavily populated. That's why they are there to begin with! The power would absolutely go to waste otherwise. That's also why we picked that area... power was cheap because it wasn't being used. Our GPUs are 'new old stock'. They were already produced, sitting in warehouses not doing anything, and would have gone to waste anyway. Update: Similar with the downvotes...
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    > You are hilarious, your crypto hatred has clouded your judgement. Since you have so much karma here, you don't mind saying silly things and losing points left and right. First question, where do you think I got most of the karma? Sentiment here is broadly against crypto and has been for years (although it comes and goes). The pro side is loud, but enjoys far less support than you might imagine. > Transmission of power is expensive and lossy. No, it isn't. Transmission of power is super efficient. The EIA says the US lost only 5% of its electricity to T&D over the 2016-2020 period. [1] Expensive it may be, but that's not a reason not to do it. A single long power line from Boston to LA would only see ~25% loss from one end to the other. The whole Ohm's law thing (P=IV), we use transformers that are 99%+ efficient to raise the voltage to ~345kV and big fat wires to reduce current and resistance and hence transmission line losses. > That's also why we picked that area... power was cheap because it wasn't being used. It should be used to do something productive, not generate e-waste. > Our GPUs are 'new old stock'. They were already produced, sitting in warehouses not doing anything, and would have gone to waste anyway. Or, prices would have gone down and more people would have bought them. I can't see 3060s getting scrapped due to lack of demand when they were going for $850 a pop. [1] https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=105&t=3 https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=105&t=3
    - latchkey 4y ago
      > Sentiment here is broadly against crypto and has been for years. Agreed. However, I'd hope that 'against crypto' was less of one dude ranting endlessly, which is really boring and should get down voted. > Transmission of power is super efficient. We're not talking about efficiency. Transmission is expensive. Which goes beyond efficiency. You have to factor in the cost of the lines themselves, which are based on distance. I've seen these costs first hand, have you? > It should be used to do something productive, not generate e-waste. Oh yes, please define productive for me. > Or, prices would have gone down and more people would have bought them. They weren't for sale to the public. Nor would they ever have been. > I can't see 3060s getting scrapped due to lack of demand when they were going for $850 a pop. Huh? This whole thread is about RX4xx, which is what my cards are.
schoen 4y ago
According to the HN moderators, if you suspect someone is manipulating votes in some way, you're supposed to e-mail the moderators to have them look at it rather than making an accusation in your post.
- latchkey 4y ago
  Sure. Apologies for calling that out in my update. That said, I don't feel it is worth @dang's time to waste on validating if someone with 24k karma is using fake accounts. As soon as I posted that update, the karma on the comment reversed.
robocat 4y ago
> downvoted You are very likely mistaking normal HN herd behaviour - plenty of people are going to think bullshit to “unused hydro”. Also “Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.” and “Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.” - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html If you assume that HN is full of good people, and respond accordingly, you will learn more and have more fun. If you assume HN is full of bad people causing trouble, why would you stick around? Good communities are built upon trusting cooperators and learning the valid signals of trust.
- latchkey 4y ago
  Right after that update, I went from -4 to +2. > plenty of people are going to think bullshit to “unused hydro”. Maybe... but the way I went up and then suddenly went down to -4, was super odd. > If you assume that HN is full of good people, and respond accordingly, you will learn more and have more fun.. I've been around here, with an account, since 2009. It is the only community I participate in any more. I believe that HN is full of great people and that the content is about as good as you're going to get these days. This is why accounts such as articbull are becoming boring to me. All it is is anti-crypto hatred that is often not fully factual. Equating me to a tobacco exec is just icing on the cake. Sorry for calling that out.

superjan 4y ago

I don’t particularly like crypto but I don’t think we need to rehash the same debate again. Isn’t it interesting to hear what this guy is going to do? Passing judgement does not improve the conversation.