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I interpret it to mean that the graphical enhancements that RT can give you are only really appreciable if you're playing a single-player game that allows you t

I interpret it to mean that the graphical enhancements that RT can give you are only really appreciable if you're playing a single-player game that allows you to stop and check out how beautiful it is, while in a competitive multiplayer game, you're moving around too fast to really appreciate (or even notice) the difference RT gives you over fake reflections.

whatshisface 4y ago
By that logic, shooters could still have Quake graphics, and given how people still play it, I guess that's right.
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  Most Pro-level CS:GO players still play at 1024x768 or 1280x960 and graphics set to the lowest setting. (Best sources I could quickly find on my phone. Annoying ads warning) https://www.prosettings.com/zywoo-csgo/ https://www.prosettings.com/zywoo-csgo/ https://www.gamersdecide.com/articles/csgo-best-resolution-setting https://www.gamersdecide.com/articles/csgo-best-resolution-s...
  - chupasaurus 4y ago
    The reason behind the 4:3 low resolution is outside of scope for ray tracing or performance overall: most of pro players found out that widened picture and thus player models are easier to target precisely in motion (AFAIK the phenomenon hasn't being studied properly) and you're limited by vertical resolution of the screen thus 960 is the upper bound for a common 16:9 1080p panel. As for lowest settings, the CS:GO don't have options to put the game into flat panel mess that is professional Q3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3ui0hz6sm0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3ui0hz6sm0
- pdpi 4y ago
  We're past Quake-level graphics, but competitive eSports games, by and large, have deliberately simple graphics optimised for readability over flare. If you look at LoL, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch, they're all kind of the same — fairly flat light, bright colourful characters against a backdrop of pastels and otherwise muted background colours. Texture detailing is discrete and everything almost looks like block colours if you squint. Rainbow 6 Siege, CSGO, PUBG are the same, minus the colourful characters. Even if those games didn't optimise their engines for performance over visual fidelity, their visual design would make them fairly light weight anyhow.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Another reason why those game graphics is like that is they want to support many devices, including very low-end Nintendo Switch and MediaTek smartphones. Toon style looks good in low quality.
madamelic 4y ago
> you're moving around too fast to really appreciate (or even notice) the difference RT gives you over fake reflections. You're also at a disadvantage running the graphics on High. In any game that I want to play at a "competitive" level, I always put the settings to the absolute lowest settings so the computer always gets 100+ FPS. No reason to even try to optimize. The point is winning, not it looking good. In fact, in some games, the developers have had to go back and make it more fair for higher settings because of low settings hiding tall grass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZbAXsA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZbAXsA
- int_19h 4y ago
  It's a spectrum, not an either-or. Many people play competitive multiplayer for the sake of overall enjoyment, not solely to compete. For that, you want the graphics to be as good as possible, to the limit of what you can notice while playing the game normally.
izacus 4y ago
I see, but most players are single-player gamers so how is that a.. gimmick?
- mountainb 4y ago
  For PC, at least judging from Steam charts, single player gamers are a substantial minority, but still a minority in terms of what games are popular. CP2077 is the only single player game currently in the top 10, and there are only a couple other primarily SP games in the top 20.
  - izacus 4y ago
    At no point of history have multiplayer gamers outnumbered singleplayer gamers. Even for MP focused titles like StarCraft 2, the majority (iirc the number was around 54%) of customers never clicked on the multiplayer button once. You're looking at number people logged into an online service and thinking it represents anything about gamers that by definition aren't online. A typical sampling bias.
    - paulmd 4y ago
      > You're looking at number people logged into an online service and thinking it represents anything about gamers that by definition aren't online. A typical sampling bias. steam, ubisoft connect, origin, blizzard launcher, and rockstar are all online today, even for single-player games. I'm not sure where a significant number of non-platform-delivered games would even exist in 2022, I haven't bought a single game that didn't use steam or another platform from a vendor in ages. The exception being GOG I guess, and to be fair there's a decent number of new-ish titles on that (horizon zero dawn) and I always make an effort to buy titles there when possible, but even still GOG's marketshare is minuscule in comparison to steam. so no, actually, I disagree that there's some large repository of single-player games that are not showing up on steam or another equivalent. (do PSN/XBL keep public player count stats?)
    - Der_Einzige 4y ago
      Sounds like you haven't paid attention to the gaming industry since eSports took off. Overwatch and Valorant alone may have increased female participation in video games by double digit percentages. Also, the TV show for League, which was obviously aimed at women. All multiplayer only

whatshisface 4y ago

By that logic, shooters could still have Quake graphics, and given how people still play it, I guess that's right.

squeaky-clean 4y ago
Most Pro-level CS:GO players still play at 1024x768 or 1280x960 and graphics set to the lowest setting. (Best sources I could quickly find on my phone. Annoying ads warning) https://www.prosettings.com/zywoo-csgo/ https://www.prosettings.com/zywoo-csgo/ https://www.gamersdecide.com/articles/csgo-best-resolution-setting https://www.gamersdecide.com/articles/csgo-best-resolution-s...
- chupasaurus 4y ago
  The reason behind the 4:3 low resolution is outside of scope for ray tracing or performance overall: most of pro players found out that widened picture and thus player models are easier to target precisely in motion (AFAIK the phenomenon hasn't being studied properly) and you're limited by vertical resolution of the screen thus 960 is the upper bound for a common 16:9 1080p panel. As for lowest settings, the CS:GO don't have options to put the game into flat panel mess that is professional Q3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3ui0hz6sm0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3ui0hz6sm0
pdpi 4y ago
We're past Quake-level graphics, but competitive eSports games, by and large, have deliberately simple graphics optimised for readability over flare. If you look at LoL, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch, they're all kind of the same — fairly flat light, bright colourful characters against a backdrop of pastels and otherwise muted background colours. Texture detailing is discrete and everything almost looks like block colours if you squint. Rainbow 6 Siege, CSGO, PUBG are the same, minus the colourful characters. Even if those games didn't optimise their engines for performance over visual fidelity, their visual design would make them fairly light weight anyhow.
- fomine3 4y ago
  Another reason why those game graphics is like that is they want to support many devices, including very low-end Nintendo Switch and MediaTek smartphones. Toon style looks good in low quality.

madamelic 4y ago

> you're moving around too fast to really appreciate (or even notice) the difference RT gives you over fake reflections. You're also at a disadvantage running the graphics on High. In any game that I want to play at a "competitive" level, I always put the settings to the absolute lowest settings so the computer always gets 100+ FPS. No reason to even try to optimize. The point is winning, not it looking good. In fact, in some games, the developers have had to go back and make it more fair for higher settings because of low settings hiding tall grass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZbAXsA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZbAXsA

int_19h 4y ago
It's a spectrum, not an either-or. Many people play competitive multiplayer for the sake of overall enjoyment, not solely to compete. For that, you want the graphics to be as good as possible, to the limit of what you can notice while playing the game normally.

izacus 4y ago

I see, but most players are single-player gamers so how is that a.. gimmick?

mountainb 4y ago
For PC, at least judging from Steam charts, single player gamers are a substantial minority, but still a minority in terms of what games are popular. CP2077 is the only single player game currently in the top 10, and there are only a couple other primarily SP games in the top 20.
- izacus 4y ago
  At no point of history have multiplayer gamers outnumbered singleplayer gamers. Even for MP focused titles like StarCraft 2, the majority (iirc the number was around 54%) of customers never clicked on the multiplayer button once. You're looking at number people logged into an online service and thinking it represents anything about gamers that by definition aren't online. A typical sampling bias.
  - paulmd 4y ago
    > You're looking at number people logged into an online service and thinking it represents anything about gamers that by definition aren't online. A typical sampling bias. steam, ubisoft connect, origin, blizzard launcher, and rockstar are all online today, even for single-player games. I'm not sure where a significant number of non-platform-delivered games would even exist in 2022, I haven't bought a single game that didn't use steam or another platform from a vendor in ages. The exception being GOG I guess, and to be fair there's a decent number of new-ish titles on that (horizon zero dawn) and I always make an effort to buy titles there when possible, but even still GOG's marketshare is minuscule in comparison to steam. so no, actually, I disagree that there's some large repository of single-player games that are not showing up on steam or another equivalent. (do PSN/XBL keep public player count stats?)
  - Der_Einzige 4y ago
    Sounds like you haven't paid attention to the gaming industry since eSports took off. Overwatch and Valorant alone may have increased female participation in video games by double digit percentages. Also, the TV show for League, which was obviously aimed at women. All multiplayer only