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For comparison you can buy 3x Xbox Series S (which will play almost all current gen AAA games) for the price of 1x 4080. Absolutely preposterous.

apazzolini 4y ago
You forgot to mention "at 60 FPS".
- Aissen 4y ago
  I think them meant xbox series X, not S.
- segadreamcast 4y ago
  An Xbox Series X costs almost half of this 1 PC component and will run everything at 4K 144hz. correction: 120hz not 144hz.
  - nulld3v 4y ago
    No, it will run everything at lower quality settings and at lower resolutions. The "4K" is usually just 1440p/1080p upscaled.
    - segadreamcast 4y ago
      Series X is true 4K according to website[0]. Series S plays 1440p, upscaled to 4K. 0: https://www.xbox.com/en-CA/consoles/xbox-series-x?xr=shellnav https://www.xbox.com/en-CA/consoles/xbox-series-x?xr=shellna...
      - Ekaros 4y ago
        And since when marketing material is to be trusted? My understanding is that they do quite a lot of scaling tricks with consoles.
      - ac29 4y ago
        The notes on the site say "4K at up to 120FPS: Requires supported content and display. Use on Xbox Series X as content becomes available". That certainly implies many games dont support it.
      - nulld3v 4y ago
        That's only for lighter games. Heavier games still do upscaling: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cyberpunk-2077-cannot-run-at-4K-on-PlayStation-5-or-Xbox-Series-X-with-Patch-1-5.602727.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cyberpunk-2077-cannot-run-at-4... I'm not really sure what Microsoft is trying to say on your link but the Series X definitely cannot run everything at native 4K.
  - nerdix 4y ago
    A Series X will not render very many AAA games at 4k/120fps (if any at all). And it definitely won't do at Ultra level settings. PC gaming at the high end has always been about spending a lot of money to get the best graphics possible. Consoles always have much better bang for the buck early in a new console generation.
  - pythonaut_16 4y ago
    The 4K 144hz you get on the Xbox Series X is almost certainly lower graphics settings than you could run at 4K 144hz on the RTX 4080. I don't think the difference is enough to justify the price difference but comparing resolution and framerates isn't apples to apples.
    - segadreamcast 4y ago
      And you'll still be playing the same game. If you want to spend almost a thousand dollars so your game renders more eyelashes that's your choice. My point is that NVidia's pricing is making PC gaming inaccessible to people who don't have wads of disposable cash to spend on diminishing returns. I would strongly recommend anybody who's looking into getting into current gen gaming to steer clear of playing on PC as the pricing of PC components is completely out of control and console pricing is looking increasingly more reasonable.
      - int_19h 4y ago
        How is it making PC gaming inaccessible? You don't need top of the line hardware to play even the most recent PC games. You need top of the line hardware for "more eyelashes", but that's very much a choice (that you get with PCs but not with consoles).
      - fomine3 4y ago
        Then you can buy 3060Ti and configure quality similar to PS5. They are not target audience for xx80 or above.
      - pythonaut_16 4y ago
        I literally said: > I don't think the difference is enough to justify the price difference PC components are definitely too expensive right now, for several reasons, including Nvidia's pricing choices
  - MarioMan 4y ago
    4K 120hz is merely the limit of the HDMI standard used on the Series X. It is not a hard requirement needed to publish on the platform. This would be akin to claiming that the PS3 was a 1080p 60Hz console, when the vast majority of the library managed closer to 720p 30hz. While developers are free to make 4K 120hz their target, few games attempt it, and the ones that do, often make significant graphical compromises or are graphically undemanding to begin with.
capableweb 4y ago
For comparison, a 4080 has a lot more uses than a Xbox Series S, which I think you can only realistically use for gaming.
- segadreamcast 4y ago
  These GPUs don't have enough memory for serious AI work. Now that ETH is on proof of stake, high end GPUs are back to being gaming PC components.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    24GB is enough for some serious AI work. 48GB would be better, of course. But high end GPUs are still used for other things than gaming, from ML/AI stuff to creative work like video editing, animation renders and more.
  - rejectfinite 4y ago
    And people want to game on PC dude.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  Uses which 95% of mainstream consumer customers will never utilize.
  - xbar 4y ago
    So they shouldn't buy it. Maybe they'd like a nice 4070 or 4060 someday.
icu 4y ago
I completely agree. In the past I dropped a ton of money on gaming rig hardware that aged like milk. With a console you get the advantage of exclusives, majority of PC game releases, and a longer upgrade cycle versus a gaming rig. If you own a PS5, you got the PS VR2 coming out soon at a decent price point. If you own an Xbox, add in the amazing value of the Xbox Games Pass and I just don't see the need to be subsidising Hardware Manufacturers' bottom lines anymore.
- capableweb 4y ago
  I have a desktop PC that I sometimes use for gaming, everything from demanding simulators (like Flight Simulator and X-Plane) to grand strategy games and other more mainstream games. Last GPU I bought was a 2080ti that still is my GPU, and I bought that something like 3 years ago. I can still game mainstream games on very high settings without issues. So not sure why your setup aged like milk but mine didn't...
  - Loughla 4y ago
    On my home machine, I'm running SLI'd GTX480's. They still do 99.9% of the gaming I want to do. I have only found ray tracing (which I don't like anyway) and for some reason water reflections to cause problems. But I can still run most games on high or better settings. I don't know why OP's setup would age like milk. As long as you keep them clean, games haven't really advanced that much in the last few years, in terms of graphics requirements. Also, if anyone has advice on building a new machine, I'm listening. I've been out of the game so long that I don't even know where to start, and have children that want towers built.
    - fomine3 4y ago
      I assume you use a FHD monitor. It's completely fine but some people upgraded to higher resolution.
  - izacus 4y ago
    Yeah, it's kinda bizarre - I've been running GTX970 for 5 years and it still runs things acceptably today (although I've replaced it with 3080 at launch). It really didn't last any less time than PS4 or any other console.
partomniscient 4y ago
As a side-note, the X-Box series S was the cheapest and most effective way for me to buy a 4K-UHD blu-ray player. I did try to do some CUDA based AI rendering stuff on my 2080S but 8GB didn't seem to be enough. Its weird to comprehend the 'stretching' of technology advance over time as I age, especially on the value side. There hasn't ever been the same 'feel' for me from the first leap of moving from software rendered Quake to a 3D-card - despite the various advances since, although I remember bump-mapping as another massive leap. It's totally unfair in some ways. As an example the control you have over lighting a scene (either in a game or something you're rendering) is way beyond what multi-million dollar studios were using in my younger years. What happens to society/reality when technology capable of producing video content indistinguishable from reality is affordable to many? Its already happening. Its going to become more commonplace. The problem of 'truth' becomes massive - is the thing presented to you something that actually happened or was it fabricated?
- vanchor3 4y ago
  >As a side-note, the X-Box series S was the cheapest and most effective way for me to buy a 4K-UHD blu-ray player. I assume you mean the Xbox One S, because the Series S doesn't have a disc drive.
  - partomniscient 4y ago
    Correct. My mistake. Thanks for catching it. Unfortunately I missed the edit window for the post. It does show you how poor naming conventions can screw you over. Then again naming things is one of the two* hardest problems in computing. * (Zero based two).
jgtrosh 4y ago
Even though these GPUs are severely overpriced, you can't compare them with the console sold at the largest loss
honkycat 4y ago
I can't do music production and game development on an xbox series s though.
mechanical_bear 4y ago
I can’t train ML models on the Xbox.
cma 4y ago
Subsidized by a hidden cost multiplayer subscription and store lock-in cut on all games played on it.

apazzolini 4y ago

You forgot to mention "at 60 FPS".

Aissen 4y ago
I think them meant xbox series X, not S.
segadreamcast 4y ago
An Xbox Series X costs almost half of this 1 PC component and will run everything at 4K 144hz. correction: 120hz not 144hz.
- nulld3v 4y ago
  No, it will run everything at lower quality settings and at lower resolutions. The "4K" is usually just 1440p/1080p upscaled.
  - segadreamcast 4y ago
    Series X is true 4K according to website[0]. Series S plays 1440p, upscaled to 4K. 0: https://www.xbox.com/en-CA/consoles/xbox-series-x?xr=shellnav https://www.xbox.com/en-CA/consoles/xbox-series-x?xr=shellna...
    - Ekaros 4y ago
      And since when marketing material is to be trusted? My understanding is that they do quite a lot of scaling tricks with consoles.
    - ac29 4y ago
      The notes on the site say "4K at up to 120FPS: Requires supported content and display. Use on Xbox Series X as content becomes available". That certainly implies many games dont support it.
    - nulld3v 4y ago
      That's only for lighter games. Heavier games still do upscaling: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cyberpunk-2077-cannot-run-at-4K-on-PlayStation-5-or-Xbox-Series-X-with-Patch-1-5.602727.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cyberpunk-2077-cannot-run-at-4... I'm not really sure what Microsoft is trying to say on your link but the Series X definitely cannot run everything at native 4K.
- nerdix 4y ago
  A Series X will not render very many AAA games at 4k/120fps (if any at all). And it definitely won't do at Ultra level settings. PC gaming at the high end has always been about spending a lot of money to get the best graphics possible. Consoles always have much better bang for the buck early in a new console generation.
- pythonaut_16 4y ago
  The 4K 144hz you get on the Xbox Series X is almost certainly lower graphics settings than you could run at 4K 144hz on the RTX 4080. I don't think the difference is enough to justify the price difference but comparing resolution and framerates isn't apples to apples.
  - segadreamcast 4y ago
    And you'll still be playing the same game. If you want to spend almost a thousand dollars so your game renders more eyelashes that's your choice. My point is that NVidia's pricing is making PC gaming inaccessible to people who don't have wads of disposable cash to spend on diminishing returns. I would strongly recommend anybody who's looking into getting into current gen gaming to steer clear of playing on PC as the pricing of PC components is completely out of control and console pricing is looking increasingly more reasonable.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      How is it making PC gaming inaccessible? You don't need top of the line hardware to play even the most recent PC games. You need top of the line hardware for "more eyelashes", but that's very much a choice (that you get with PCs but not with consoles).
    - fomine3 4y ago
      Then you can buy 3060Ti and configure quality similar to PS5. They are not target audience for xx80 or above.
    - pythonaut_16 4y ago
      I literally said: > I don't think the difference is enough to justify the price difference PC components are definitely too expensive right now, for several reasons, including Nvidia's pricing choices
- MarioMan 4y ago
  4K 120hz is merely the limit of the HDMI standard used on the Series X. It is not a hard requirement needed to publish on the platform. This would be akin to claiming that the PS3 was a 1080p 60Hz console, when the vast majority of the library managed closer to 720p 30hz. While developers are free to make 4K 120hz their target, few games attempt it, and the ones that do, often make significant graphical compromises or are graphically undemanding to begin with.

capableweb 4y ago

For comparison, a 4080 has a lot more uses than a Xbox Series S, which I think you can only realistically use for gaming.

segadreamcast 4y ago
These GPUs don't have enough memory for serious AI work. Now that ETH is on proof of stake, high end GPUs are back to being gaming PC components.
- capableweb 4y ago
  24GB is enough for some serious AI work. 48GB would be better, of course. But high end GPUs are still used for other things than gaming, from ML/AI stuff to creative work like video editing, animation renders and more.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  And people want to game on PC dude.
MisterBastahrd 4y ago
Uses which 95% of mainstream consumer customers will never utilize.
- xbar 4y ago
  So they shouldn't buy it. Maybe they'd like a nice 4070 or 4060 someday.

icu 4y ago

I completely agree. In the past I dropped a ton of money on gaming rig hardware that aged like milk. With a console you get the advantage of exclusives, majority of PC game releases, and a longer upgrade cycle versus a gaming rig. If you own a PS5, you got the PS VR2 coming out soon at a decent price point. If you own an Xbox, add in the amazing value of the Xbox Games Pass and I just don't see the need to be subsidising Hardware Manufacturers' bottom lines anymore.

capableweb 4y ago
I have a desktop PC that I sometimes use for gaming, everything from demanding simulators (like Flight Simulator and X-Plane) to grand strategy games and other more mainstream games. Last GPU I bought was a 2080ti that still is my GPU, and I bought that something like 3 years ago. I can still game mainstream games on very high settings without issues. So not sure why your setup aged like milk but mine didn't...
- Loughla 4y ago
  On my home machine, I'm running SLI'd GTX480's. They still do 99.9% of the gaming I want to do. I have only found ray tracing (which I don't like anyway) and for some reason water reflections to cause problems. But I can still run most games on high or better settings. I don't know why OP's setup would age like milk. As long as you keep them clean, games haven't really advanced that much in the last few years, in terms of graphics requirements. Also, if anyone has advice on building a new machine, I'm listening. I've been out of the game so long that I don't even know where to start, and have children that want towers built.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    I assume you use a FHD monitor. It's completely fine but some people upgraded to higher resolution.
- izacus 4y ago
  Yeah, it's kinda bizarre - I've been running GTX970 for 5 years and it still runs things acceptably today (although I've replaced it with 3080 at launch). It really didn't last any less time than PS4 or any other console.

partomniscient 4y ago

As a side-note, the X-Box series S was the cheapest and most effective way for me to buy a 4K-UHD blu-ray player. I did try to do some CUDA based AI rendering stuff on my 2080S but 8GB didn't seem to be enough. Its weird to comprehend the 'stretching' of technology advance over time as I age, especially on the value side. There hasn't ever been the same 'feel' for me from the first leap of moving from software rendered Quake to a 3D-card - despite the various advances since, although I remember bump-mapping as another massive leap. It's totally unfair in some ways. As an example the control you have over lighting a scene (either in a game or something you're rendering) is way beyond what multi-million dollar studios were using in my younger years. What happens to society/reality when technology capable of producing video content indistinguishable from reality is affordable to many? Its already happening. Its going to become more commonplace. The problem of 'truth' becomes massive - is the thing presented to you something that actually happened or was it fabricated?

vanchor3 4y ago
>As a side-note, the X-Box series S was the cheapest and most effective way for me to buy a 4K-UHD blu-ray player. I assume you mean the Xbox One S, because the Series S doesn't have a disc drive.
- partomniscient 4y ago
  Correct. My mistake. Thanks for catching it. Unfortunately I missed the edit window for the post. It does show you how poor naming conventions can screw you over. Then again naming things is one of the two* hardest problems in computing. * (Zero based two).

jgtrosh 4y ago

Even though these GPUs are severely overpriced, you can't compare them with the console sold at the largest loss

honkycat 4y ago

I can't do music production and game development on an xbox series s though.

mechanical_bear 4y ago

I can’t train ML models on the Xbox.

cma 4y ago

Subsidized by a hidden cost multiplayer subscription and store lock-in cut on all games played on it.