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Life is a slippery slope towards death. Collective responsibility seems to have worked for post-WW2 Germany though. And made the society as a whole stronger.
by jevgeni 4y ago
Life is a slippery slope towards death.
Collective responsibility seems to have worked for post-WW2 Germany though. And made the society as a whole stronger.
Denying visas is not "failing to recognize between combatants and non-combatants". It is denying a privilege that the russian government has messed up for their own citizens. EU or USA don't owe you anything. The russian government does.
Personally, I have zero interest in letting someone into my country for them later to claim that learning my language is "nazism".
- cpursley 4y agoI'll ask again, my country (USA) has killed millions of innocent people since 1991. If we're keeping tally, that's a whole lot more than the modern Russian state in the same time period. Should Americans (including me) collectively be punished for this (of those of us like me who were actively against it)?
- jevgeni 4y agoDo you feel entitled to a comfy holiday in Kabul?
- gdy 4y agoTaliban was at war with the US. Is the EU at war with Russia? Maybe you should stop buying Russian oil and gas right now? Trading with the enemy, you know. Financing Putin's government.
- jevgeni 4y agoDon't the russians claim they are at war with whole of NATO? And by the way, thank you for this push, now we'll finally ween Germany of its russian gas dependency.
- gdy 4y agoYou mean Putin and his propagandists? 146 millions of Russians can't claim anything with single voice. You are doing exactly what the genocide scholar I quoted warned about.
- gdy 4y agoPlease don't misinterpret my words. You asked what's wrong with 'collective guilt' and I answered that using this justification is the slippery slope towards "collective punishment" that includes "failing to recognize between combatants and non-combatants". I never said that denying visas is "failing to recognize between combatants and non-combatants". But I can give you an example: I've seen many times the calls to stop the export of medicaments to Russia thus killing or disabling most vulnerable civilians [0]. [0] https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/970136 https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/970136
- jevgeni 4y agoYou literally set the subject: > And how is visa ban justified?
- gdy 4y agoYou didn't quote my comment fully and left out "Just curious how you would manage to avoid the words 'collective guilt'." That was dishonest.
- jevgeni 4y agoCommunicate better. To reitterate: > Denying visas is not "failing to recognize between combatants and non-combatants". It is denying a privilege that the russian government has messed up for their own citizens. EU or USA don't owe you anything. The russian government does.