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> Why is it such a long shot to believe they don't interfere locally? Because this goes strongly against the culture of the organization? People are funny. Th

> Why is it such a long shot to believe they don't interfere locally? Because this goes strongly against the culture of the organization? People are funny. They may be willing to bend any law and/or see themselves as above the law in some aspects (see i.e. the Iran/contra affair), yet will honor-bind themselves to other ways. Because at the end of the day they want to be the heros, the good guys. And the C.I.A. is an organization, so people within it are bound to a culture which is part of the organization. They might be perfectly willing to betray the American people (as you or I might see it), but they will not betray the C.I.A. Part of C.I.A. is that it operates outside of US territory.

seanw444 4y ago
You're right, they want to be the heros. And some people would convince themselves that being a hero is to prevent a particular person from becoming president, because it would be "a danger to our democracy."
anon291 4y ago
I'm not sure I buy this argument that they see interfering in our elections as dishonorable. People so willing to break American laws have no good sense of honor for me
michael1999 4y ago
Do you think it was a coincidence that Nixon recruited his plumbers from the FBI and CIA?
tarakat 4y ago
> Why is it such a long shot to believe they don't interfere locally? > Because this goes strongly against the culture of the organization? No it doesn't, and I'm curious where you got that impression: A Brief History of the CIA's Unpunished Spying on the Senate - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/a-brief-history-of-the-cias-unpunished-spying-on-the-senate/384003/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/a-brief... Through these programs, the CIA's Office of Security received information from US based informants regarding individuals and groups with anti-war views. [..] According to a 1977 New York Times article, the CIA conducted a covert propaganda campaign to squelch criticism of the Warren Report. The CIA urged its field stations to use their "propaganda assets" to attack those who didn't agree with the Warren Report. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_S... In 1975, Church Committee Congressional investigations revealed Agency connections with journalists and civic groups. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird At various times, under its own initiative or in accordance with directives from the President of the United States or the National Security Council staff, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has attempted to influence public opinion both in the United States and abroad. [..] Ralph McGehee, a former CIA officer, stated that the CIA often placed news stories anonymously in news publications to spread false ideas favorable to CIA goals. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinio... And that's only what we know about.
jobs_throwaway 4y ago
These people are A-OK with murdering American children, but you somehow believe they draw a moral line at interfering locally? Get the fuck outta here. There's absolutely no reason to believe the CIA is above meddling domestically.

seanw444 4y ago

You're right, they want to be the heros. And some people would convince themselves that being a hero is to prevent a particular person from becoming president, because it would be "a danger to our democracy."

anon291 4y ago

I'm not sure I buy this argument that they see interfering in our elections as dishonorable. People so willing to break American laws have no good sense of honor for me

michael1999 4y ago

Do you think it was a coincidence that Nixon recruited his plumbers from the FBI and CIA?

tarakat 4y ago

> Why is it such a long shot to believe they don't interfere locally? > Because this goes strongly against the culture of the organization? No it doesn't, and I'm curious where you got that impression: A Brief History of the CIA's Unpunished Spying on the Senate - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/a-brief-history-of-the-cias-unpunished-spying-on-the-senate/384003/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/a-brief... Through these programs, the CIA's Office of Security received information from US based informants regarding individuals and groups with anti-war views. [..] According to a 1977 New York Times article, the CIA conducted a covert propaganda campaign to squelch criticism of the Warren Report. The CIA urged its field stations to use their "propaganda assets" to attack those who didn't agree with the Warren Report. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_United_S... In 1975, Church Committee Congressional investigations revealed Agency connections with journalists and civic groups. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird At various times, under its own initiative or in accordance with directives from the President of the United States or the National Security Council staff, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has attempted to influence public opinion both in the United States and abroad. [..] Ralph McGehee, a former CIA officer, stated that the CIA often placed news stories anonymously in news publications to spread false ideas favorable to CIA goals. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinio... And that's only what we know about.

jobs_throwaway 4y ago

These people are A-OK with murdering American children, but you somehow believe they draw a moral line at interfering locally? Get the fuck outta here. There's absolutely no reason to believe the CIA is above meddling domestically.