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Hm, from a purely agile standpoint: This seems to reduce daily stand-ups to status report meetings (and then, why have a stand-up at all?). Does a stand-up that

Hm, from a purely agile standpoint: This seems to reduce daily stand-ups to status report meetings (and then, why have a stand-up at all?). Does a stand-up that is over in 5 minutes (and has 10-15 minutes of prep time) really bring value to anyone but a team lead?

majikandy 4y ago
Yesterday, today, blockers… already feels like a relic from the past.
- talmi 4y ago
  We're working on enabling dynamic prompts so teams can customize. What's your standup format?
  - majikandy 4y ago
    Something like… 1. Bit of banter. 2. Talk about aging cards/blockers 3. Talk about the cards on the board, from right to left. Since further right is most important. 3. Share things with each other that came up since last standup that you think is worth sharing. 4. Ask for help. Offer help. How can I help you get that card over the line? 5. Final bants.
    - Terretta 4y ago
      But why talk about the actual work cards when you can pay the cost of a full office suite to talk about a completely different set of cards? // Sounds like you're doing it right. Carry on. :-)
- nrclark 4y ago
  I wish more standups would bring back that format, honestly. It's a lot more interesting than the "watch somebody use Jira" format that seems to be more common today.
- pramodbiligiri 4y ago
  Here’s something I just started thinking about: what if you took out the Yesterday and Today bits from the stand up and just made it about Blockers+Issues… ? The Yesterday and Today bits seem to unavoidably bias stand ups into status meetings.
Cthulhu_ 4y ago
I do like to know where we stand, but in an ideal scrum team everyone's constantly aware of what is going on and catching each other up is no longer necessary. But that's idealized circumstances; during the Panny-D and people working remotely, it turns out people prefer to just keep their head down all day and maybe only check in at the stand-up. That is also fine, I guess.
talmi 4y ago
Great question Our goal is to make standups more effective, not necessarily faster. We found that by adding more structure and allowing people to easily prepare, the result is a more effective meeting that in many cases is also faster. The prep experience actually makes preparing really fast by leveraging your previous tasks/goals
nrclark 4y ago
I can't speak for everybody. But for me: yes, a 5 minute standup is valuable. It's much, much better than a 30 minute standup IMO. Most people can pay attention for 5 minutes. So if the meeting's only 5 minutes, most people will actually listen and engage. Followups can happen afterwards. If the standup is 30 minutes though, most people are probably going to tune out and start doing other stuff. It becomes an "ignore the meeting while I wait for my turn" kind of thing. A waste of everybody's time. I don't want to watch the team-lead click a Jira board for 30 minutes, and I'm guaranteed to get bored and tune out. And once that attention's been lost, the standup loses a lot of utility.

majikandy 4y ago

Yesterday, today, blockers… already feels like a relic from the past.

talmi 4y ago
We're working on enabling dynamic prompts so teams can customize. What's your standup format?
- majikandy 4y ago
  Something like… 1. Bit of banter. 2. Talk about aging cards/blockers 3. Talk about the cards on the board, from right to left. Since further right is most important. 3. Share things with each other that came up since last standup that you think is worth sharing. 4. Ask for help. Offer help. How can I help you get that card over the line? 5. Final bants.
  - Terretta 4y ago
    But why talk about the actual work cards when you can pay the cost of a full office suite to talk about a completely different set of cards? // Sounds like you're doing it right. Carry on. :-)
nrclark 4y ago
I wish more standups would bring back that format, honestly. It's a lot more interesting than the "watch somebody use Jira" format that seems to be more common today.
pramodbiligiri 4y ago
Here’s something I just started thinking about: what if you took out the Yesterday and Today bits from the stand up and just made it about Blockers+Issues… ? The Yesterday and Today bits seem to unavoidably bias stand ups into status meetings.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

I do like to know where we stand, but in an ideal scrum team everyone's constantly aware of what is going on and catching each other up is no longer necessary. But that's idealized circumstances; during the Panny-D and people working remotely, it turns out people prefer to just keep their head down all day and maybe only check in at the stand-up. That is also fine, I guess.

talmi 4y ago

Great question Our goal is to make standups more effective, not necessarily faster. We found that by adding more structure and allowing people to easily prepare, the result is a more effective meeting that in many cases is also faster. The prep experience actually makes preparing really fast by leveraging your previous tasks/goals

nrclark 4y ago

I can't speak for everybody. But for me: yes, a 5 minute standup is valuable. It's much, much better than a 30 minute standup IMO. Most people can pay attention for 5 minutes. So if the meeting's only 5 minutes, most people will actually listen and engage. Followups can happen afterwards. If the standup is 30 minutes though, most people are probably going to tune out and start doing other stuff. It becomes an "ignore the meeting while I wait for my turn" kind of thing. A waste of everybody's time. I don't want to watch the team-lead click a Jira board for 30 minutes, and I'm guaranteed to get bored and tune out. And once that attention's been lost, the standup loses a lot of utility.