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Did anyone ever think we'd see the day where we were using DMCA as an example of the preferrable alternative?

thirsteh 15y ago
Yes, but I'm a pessimist. Do I win anything? :( Big media has scary pull in D.C.
rmc 15y ago
Yes, it's strange isn't it? But since the big media copyright lads want to go further than the DMCA, that would imply it was OK. And the USA has the DMCA now, how has the last 10 years been for internet freedom? Not too bad, so it probably wasn't that bad.
- quanticle 15y ago
  How much freer would the Internet have been if the DMCA had not been passed? Think of all the hours YouTube alone spends in policing itself and handling copyright takedown notices and imagine those hours spent improving YouTube or coming up with new video sharing services. The current copyright regime is tolerable. Tolerable and good are worlds apart.
  - nknight 15y ago
    YouTube would not exist today without the safe-harbor provisions of the DMCA. It would have been sued out of existence years ago. The DMCA did not create copyright law, it modified it, and pre-DMCA, YouTube would have had no protections.
    - 1010100101 15y ago
      And without a fair use exception to copyright, search engines like Google could not show matching web site excerpts in their results. Imagine search engine results that consisted only of URL's.
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starwed 15y ago
The DMCA was a whole bundle of legislation, and some of its effects were highly desirable -- in particular the safe harbor provisions. Without those[1] sites like youtube could never have existed. You can read about the various portions of it on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Ac... Title I includes the anti-circumvention measures, which is what everyone loves to hate, but the act as a whole deals with a lot of other stuff. (Title V deals with copyright and boat hull designs, for instance!) [1]Or something stronger, tis not like it was perfect!
bdhe 15y ago
Although some aspects of DMCA aren't bad, I believe this is also the Overton Window[1] in action. I wonder if all this outrage of SOPA might actually allow the Senate's Protect IP Act (PIPA) to pass "as a compromise". [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Yes, but I'm a pessimist. Do I win anything? :( Big media has scary pull in D.C.

rmc 15y ago

Yes, it's strange isn't it? But since the big media copyright lads want to go further than the DMCA, that would imply it was OK. And the USA has the DMCA now, how has the last 10 years been for internet freedom? Not too bad, so it probably wasn't that bad.

quanticle 15y ago
How much freer would the Internet have been if the DMCA had not been passed? Think of all the hours YouTube alone spends in policing itself and handling copyright takedown notices and imagine those hours spent improving YouTube or coming up with new video sharing services. The current copyright regime is tolerable. Tolerable and good are worlds apart.
- nknight 15y ago
  YouTube would not exist today without the safe-harbor provisions of the DMCA. It would have been sued out of existence years ago. The DMCA did not create copyright law, it modified it, and pre-DMCA, YouTube would have had no protections.
  - 1010100101 15y ago
    And without a fair use exception to copyright, search engines like Google could not show matching web site excerpts in their results. Imagine search engine results that consisted only of URL's.
- deleted 15y ago
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starwed 15y ago

The DMCA was a whole bundle of legislation, and some of its effects were highly desirable -- in particular the safe harbor provisions. Without those[1] sites like youtube could never have existed. You can read about the various portions of it on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Ac... Title I includes the anti-circumvention measures, which is what everyone loves to hate, but the act as a whole deals with a lot of other stuff. (Title V deals with copyright and boat hull designs, for instance!) [1]Or something stronger, tis not like it was perfect!

bdhe 15y ago

Although some aspects of DMCA aren't bad, I believe this is also the Overton Window[1] in action. I wonder if all this outrage of SOPA might actually allow the Senate's Protect IP Act (PIPA) to pass "as a compromise". [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window