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There is a lot of racism in Russia towards people from ethnic minorities. While Russian authorities try to hide it on TV, even there one hears racist jokes in t

by _0w8t 4y ago

There is a lot of racism in Russia towards people from ethnic minorities. While Russian authorities try to hide it on TV, even there one hears racist jokes in talk shows. When Putin had a talk in a stadium in the spring, the local authorities instructed that people there should be of Slavic type. And then all talks in Russian propaganda about Slavic brotherhood among Russians and Ukrainian and Belarussians always subtly imply that Russians are the big brother.

thriftwy 4y ago
Yes there's a lot of ethnic tensions in Russia, and that's why the Russian government will avoid playing the 'ethnic hate' card - until it wants to have the country to rule that is mostly intact. Well, Russians got to be the big brother because they're rather... big. Not just in numbers - they also have the two beating hearts that are Moscow and St. Petersburg. Having said that, on the Ukrainian side there are a lot of historically important places such as Kiev the mother of all Russian cities. And Belarus really has the legacy of Lithuanian Commonwealth which can be viewed as an East Slavic state as a competitor to Russian states.
qwerty456127 4y ago
> even there one hears racist jokes in talk shows. I believe grouping racist jokes together with real racism (real hatred, discrimination, violence) is a strategic mistake. This silently replaces non-racism with political correctness. A diverse society can live in harmony with racist jokes laughing at themselves and their pals. A society standing on political correctness can be full of hypocrisy, prejudice and hatred. > Russians are the big brother. They sort of are, from the economical point of view, but that, allegorically, is a wicked abusive big brother (or cousin perhaps) nobody wants to maintain family ties, let alone live in one house with. Even in real life a younger sibling may happen to be a much nicer person and the elder sibling doesn't have right to keep the younger by force when he wants to move away.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  Thinking jokes can't be part of "real racism" or that you can draw a clear, distinct and universal line between the two is absolutely foolish. When you look at the worst genocidal atrocities in history or the present world, they don't come out of nowhere. And a gradually escalating normalization of mockery and othering is a clear part of that pattern time and time again. It's not that all racial jokes are terrible on the same level as the worst things you can do here, but when you look at situations where the worst things are happening, the jokes are too and they always came first.
foverzar 4y ago
> racist jokes in talk shows It's a slippery slope to judge a foreign culture by what is acceptable in their jokes. One would think that things like race-hate crimes, lynching, segregation and apartheid, or at least access education facilities or similar welfare distribution metrics would be much better examples. Being real life and everything. > the local authorities instructed that people there should be of Slavic type. Source?

by _0w8t 4y ago

thriftwy 4y ago

Yes there's a lot of ethnic tensions in Russia, and that's why the Russian government will avoid playing the 'ethnic hate' card - until it wants to have the country to rule that is mostly intact. Well, Russians got to be the big brother because they're rather... big. Not just in numbers - they also have the two beating hearts that are Moscow and St. Petersburg. Having said that, on the Ukrainian side there are a lot of historically important places such as Kiev the mother of all Russian cities. And Belarus really has the legacy of Lithuanian Commonwealth which can be viewed as an East Slavic state as a competitor to Russian states.

qwerty456127 4y ago

> even there one hears racist jokes in talk shows. I believe grouping racist jokes together with real racism (real hatred, discrimination, violence) is a strategic mistake. This silently replaces non-racism with political correctness. A diverse society can live in harmony with racist jokes laughing at themselves and their pals. A society standing on political correctness can be full of hypocrisy, prejudice and hatred. > Russians are the big brother. They sort of are, from the economical point of view, but that, allegorically, is a wicked abusive big brother (or cousin perhaps) nobody wants to maintain family ties, let alone live in one house with. Even in real life a younger sibling may happen to be a much nicer person and the elder sibling doesn't have right to keep the younger by force when he wants to move away.

giraffe_lady 4y ago
Thinking jokes can't be part of "real racism" or that you can draw a clear, distinct and universal line between the two is absolutely foolish. When you look at the worst genocidal atrocities in history or the present world, they don't come out of nowhere. And a gradually escalating normalization of mockery and othering is a clear part of that pattern time and time again. It's not that all racial jokes are terrible on the same level as the worst things you can do here, but when you look at situations where the worst things are happening, the jokes are too and they always came first.

foverzar 4y ago

> racist jokes in talk shows It's a slippery slope to judge a foreign culture by what is acceptable in their jokes. One would think that things like race-hate crimes, lynching, segregation and apartheid, or at least access education facilities or similar welfare distribution metrics would be much better examples. Being real life and everything. > the local authorities instructed that people there should be of Slavic type. Source?