I've heard that as well, but that leaves me uncertain. A good manager can only do so much. When the company despises its workers or is reluctant to expenses or

I've heard that as well, but that leaves me uncertain. A good manager can only do so much. When the company despises its workers or is reluctant to expenses or hirings or reorg or... I'd prefer to say "people join companies, they leave because of management", which points fingers a little less to the direct manager and a bit more to the whole org tree. Note: I'm a manager, maybe I'm just protecting myself and my own kind.