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You're revising history here. There was no war. There was only "I'm not using your code unless I can see what it does and do whatever I want with it." It wasn'

You're revising history here. There was no war. There was only "I'm not using your code unless I can see what it does and do whatever I want with it." It wasn't a statement of conflict, it was one of choosing ones own way without compromise. Then some people said "I like that idea, here, I made this, do what you want with it, but it's not mine, it's yours, problems and all." That's all there is to any of this. There is no ethical responsibility. People doing something for fun for free dont owe anyone any degree of professionalism. If you want to burden yourself with the expectations of others that is your right, but just because you do it doesn't make it some standard everyone has to live up to.

hinkley 4y ago
> There is no ethical responsibility. Then stop calling yourself a software engineer. Engineering has an ethical responsibility associated with all of their work. Go be a software developer with your no responsibility. Work on Dark Patterns. Work on spying on your customers. Work on making “Developer” an epithet so the rest of us can use you as an example to push for actual Engineering status and the protections that go with it. Why do we expect more grace and generosity from the hosts of social gatherings than we do with software that will touch the lives of millions of users? That’s madness. “Oh you don’t like that there are no snacks? Well then bring your own.” would get you blackballed in any other setting. It’s antisocial, which kind of goes with our stereotype. Most of us don’t like it, some of us don’t see how we feed into it.
- betwixthewires 4y ago
  You dropped the crux of what i said: "People who do something for fun for free..." It's much harder to paint my position as one of antisocial uncaring evil in light of that.
- robocat 4y ago
  Jeepers, you seem to be making up some argument against a bunch of stuff betwixtthewires didn’t say. Where did they call themselves an engineer? Strawman? They talk about developing as a hobby, not killing civilisation, nor working for Metagoobooksoftle.

hinkley 4y ago

> There is no ethical responsibility. Then stop calling yourself a software engineer. Engineering has an ethical responsibility associated with all of their work. Go be a software developer with your no responsibility. Work on Dark Patterns. Work on spying on your customers. Work on making “Developer” an epithet so the rest of us can use you as an example to push for actual Engineering status and the protections that go with it. Why do we expect more grace and generosity from the hosts of social gatherings than we do with software that will touch the lives of millions of users? That’s madness. “Oh you don’t like that there are no snacks? Well then bring your own.” would get you blackballed in any other setting. It’s antisocial, which kind of goes with our stereotype. Most of us don’t like it, some of us don’t see how we feed into it.

betwixthewires 4y ago
You dropped the crux of what i said: "People who do something for fun for free..." It's much harder to paint my position as one of antisocial uncaring evil in light of that.
robocat 4y ago
Jeepers, you seem to be making up some argument against a bunch of stuff betwixtthewires didn’t say. Where did they call themselves an engineer? Strawman? They talk about developing as a hobby, not killing civilisation, nor working for Metagoobooksoftle.