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Not seeing evidence of your claim. A simple search on comp.lang.c for C/C++ turns up plenty of results and no one, not a single person, is calling it out. Infac

by Kranar 4y ago

Not seeing evidence of your claim. A simple search on comp.lang.c for C/C++ turns up plenty of results and no one, not a single person, is calling it out. Infact there's plenty of discussion on an almost daily basis discussing the two languages almost seamlessly. Looks like there's even a alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ newsgroup as well. For reference I also did a search from 1998 to 2002... once again no one cares or is objecting to the term C/C++ and that term is used quite often. From this search I also just learned that Microsoft's own compiler uses the term "C/C++". Furthermore, if something is relevant to both languages, such as a question involving pointers, why would it be a bad idea to ask about it in a C newsgroup? If anything, it's preferable to ask a question that is pertinent to both languages, especially one involving pointers, in the C newsgroup. Certainly asking a strictly C++ question in a C newsgroup would be off-topic and rightly so, but asking a question about pointers or other low-level details that are applicable to both languages is perfectly fine in a C newsgroup.

wahern 4y ago
Using 'group:comp.lang.c "C/C++"', here's one of the first hits[1] I get, from May 17, 2000 and starting off, > I'm just curious, but why is it that people in this group tend to reply with "the language C/C++ does not exist" or "C/C++ is 2, what do you mean?" https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/c/bVBTSJ3KRrg/m/uv98HvyKbNoJ https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/c/bVBTSJ3KRrg/m/uv98... [2] followed by 14 responses in that thread, most of which explain why that is, none defending the usage. One of the respondents is active on HN, I believe: kazinator (Kaz Kylheku). I have a local copy of the UTZOO archives, with posts from the 1980s. Out of ~30,000 posts in comp.lang.c and comp.std.c only 284 use the phrase "C/C++". Many of those are discussing specific compilers, e.g., "Zortech C/C++" (this is especially true in other newsgroups). In a quick survey I couldn't find one where people corrected the usage, but if you read those threads most people are careful to provide answers specific to C and don't often repeat "C/C++". Presumably after C and then C++ became standardized people became more vocal about treating them as distinct. [1] Results weren't sorted by date, and the first page of results spans 30 years. [2] I wish I could also include a reference ID from the headers, but Google Groups apparently no longer makes them accessible even when logged in. Google Groups Usenet support is horrible, even when searching. It's a real shame. I think Google Groups has even blacklisted comp.lang.c for spam, though almost all the spam in comp.lang.c comes from Google Groups. I've filtered out Google Groups posts from my feed for the past 10 years or so.
kazinator 4y ago
Here is a thread starting on April 15, 2000: https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp.lang.c&mid=PDhkYWpvcSR0cnUkMUBubnJwMS5kZWphLmNvbT4 https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp.lang.c&mid=P... started by someone advertising a C/C++ tutorial. Here, down in the replies, we can find the remark: In the first place, there is no such language as "C/C++", Another one: BTW, what in the world is the C/C++ language And: First problem: is comp.lang.c/c++ a legal name for a Usenet forum ? And: Jones 16/04/2000 17:40:46 UTC mike burrell wrote: > x*....@m*-****a.com wrote: > > I'm beginning a new C/C++ tutorial over at > > sweet. it's the c/c++ thread all over again. Not from me! I'm keeping my mouth shut this time ;) Indi Look, just believe the people who were there. I was; my name appears in that thread. Another thread, same year, "NEED C/C++ PROGRAMMER", started by "ITJOBS": https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp.lang.c&mid=PDAyNDdmOTMyLjllODQyMzI0QHVzdy1leDAxMDMtMDE5LnJlbWFycS5jb20%2B https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp.lang.c&mid=P... Remarks: "No such language as C/C++." "Presumably ITJOBS thinks "Well, I've heard of C and I've heard of C++, but I don't know anything about either. They should be about the same." "I see this a lot and just want to add that a slash ("/") does not imply a mixture of the two, it just means "and/or", so it would read "C and/or C++". "All the left-brained, analytical people on comp.lang.c hate "C/C++". The right-brained, "creative" people don't mind it. End of story." "C/C++ is 1 unless C is 0 in which case the result is undefined (I couldn't resist)" "Um, no. It's always undefined."
kazinator 4y ago
> A simple search on comp.lang.c I'd love to know where such a thing is possible today.

by Kranar 4y ago

wahern 4y ago

Using 'group:comp.lang.c "C/C++"', here's one of the first hits[1] I get, from May 17, 2000 and starting off, > I'm just curious, but why is it that people in this group tend to reply with "the language C/C++ does not exist" or "C/C++ is 2, what do you mean?" https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/c/bVBTSJ3KRrg/m/uv98HvyKbNoJ https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.c/c/bVBTSJ3KRrg/m/uv98... [2] followed by 14 responses in that thread, most of which explain why that is, none defending the usage. One of the respondents is active on HN, I believe: kazinator (Kaz Kylheku). I have a local copy of the UTZOO archives, with posts from the 1980s. Out of ~30,000 posts in comp.lang.c and comp.std.c only 284 use the phrase "C/C++". Many of those are discussing specific compilers, e.g., "Zortech C/C++" (this is especially true in other newsgroups). In a quick survey I couldn't find one where people corrected the usage, but if you read those threads most people are careful to provide answers specific to C and don't often repeat "C/C++". Presumably after C and then C++ became standardized people became more vocal about treating them as distinct. [1] Results weren't sorted by date, and the first page of results spans 30 years. [2] I wish I could also include a reference ID from the headers, but Google Groups apparently no longer makes them accessible even when logged in. Google Groups Usenet support is horrible, even when searching. It's a real shame. I think Google Groups has even blacklisted comp.lang.c for spam, though almost all the spam in comp.lang.c comes from Google Groups. I've filtered out Google Groups posts from my feed for the past 10 years or so.

kazinator 4y ago

Here is a thread starting on April 15, 2000: https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp.lang.c&mid=PDhkYWpvcSR0cnUkMUBubnJwMS5kZWphLmNvbT4 https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp.lang.c&mid=P... started by someone advertising a C/C++ tutorial. Here, down in the replies, we can find the remark: In the first place, there is no such language as "C/C++", Another one: BTW, what in the world is the C/C++ language And: First problem: is comp.lang.c/c++ a legal name for a Usenet forum ? And: Jones 16/04/2000 17:40:46 UTC mike burrell wrote: > x*....@m*-****a.com wrote: > > I'm beginning a new C/C++ tutorial over at > > sweet. it's the c/c++ thread all over again. Not from me! I'm keeping my mouth shut this time ;) Indi Look, just believe the people who were there. I was; my name appears in that thread. Another thread, same year, "NEED C/C++ PROGRAMMER", started by "ITJOBS": https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp.lang.c&mid=PDAyNDdmOTMyLjllODQyMzI0QHVzdy1leDAxMDMtMDE5LnJlbWFycS5jb20%2B https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp.lang.c&mid=P... Remarks: "No such language as C/C++." "Presumably ITJOBS thinks "Well, I've heard of C and I've heard of C++, but I don't know anything about either. They should be about the same." "I see this a lot and just want to add that a slash ("/") does not imply a mixture of the two, it just means "and/or", so it would read "C and/or C++". "All the left-brained, analytical people on comp.lang.c hate "C/C++". The right-brained, "creative" people don't mind it. End of story." "C/C++ is 1 unless C is 0 in which case the result is undefined (I couldn't resist)" "Um, no. It's always undefined."

kazinator 4y ago

> A simple search on comp.lang.c I'd love to know where such a thing is possible today.