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paid for in full with a grant from DHS That's the bit I was not expecting. I was expecting this to be about curbing crime on public transit. e.g. audio eviden

paid for in full with a grant from DHS That's the bit I was not expecting. I was expecting this to be about curbing crime on public transit. e.g. audio evidence for stabbings and drug deals but given the funding source perhaps more about preparation for something else? Maybe one of these conflicts? [0] I'm curious now. Given how long ago this started there must be more stories by now. [0] - https://wikiless.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2012?lang=en https://wikiless.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2012?lang=en

Spooky23 4y ago
Reconstruction of timelines from video is a big deal in investigations. A key requirement of video is time for admissibility. Having a roaming camera showing the comings and goings of people can help isolate who was where and provide a time reference when the video system at a pizza place that captures a crime doesn’t have a clock set.
defrost 4y ago
Funding started prior to ~ 2008 at least ... I'm in a Five Eyes nation (Austalia) and 14+ (ish) years ago I specc'd out, prototyped, and demo'd a bus recording system for the UK under the loose project heading of Panopticon (I shit you not). Essentially a lightweight handler about a "hard drive as multitrack ring buffer" oldest footage+audio being overwritten. One of the more interesting parts (that may or may not have hit production) was checksum+key propagation system to robustly transfer the most recent footage (prioritised by boarding | departure events) to at least one other bus while alongside in traffic | parked up at stops | terminals. I had issues with a lax approach to secure wireless access (in those early days, etc) .. but the raison d'être was ostensibly not public spying nor common criminal tracking etc. but to have some record of what happens on public transport that might suddenly blow up ... The entire project was smack in the grey area with a mass of ethical questions and a huge potential to slide into a police state swill (no doubt today there are people talking about real time .AI analysis (unless, of course, that was added long ago)). At the time I was working for a private contractor in another field who was branching out and submitting proposals to tenders .. I was not then under any NDA (a relative rarity).
- brokenmachine 4y ago
  Super interesting, thanks for your comment.
boomboomsubban 4y ago
Remember the DHS is massive and took over a bunch of other agencies. Coast Guard, Customs, Secret Service, INS, TSA, Office of Counternarcotics Enforcement, and quite a few more. Basically any justification you can imagine would fit under one of their heads, the actual reason is probably they thought the data would be useful.
throwaway743 4y ago
DHS? No thanks.

Spooky23 4y ago

Reconstruction of timelines from video is a big deal in investigations. A key requirement of video is time for admissibility. Having a roaming camera showing the comings and goings of people can help isolate who was where and provide a time reference when the video system at a pizza place that captures a crime doesn’t have a clock set.

defrost 4y ago

Funding started prior to ~ 2008 at least ... I'm in a Five Eyes nation (Austalia) and 14+ (ish) years ago I specc'd out, prototyped, and demo'd a bus recording system for the UK under the loose project heading of Panopticon (I shit you not). Essentially a lightweight handler about a "hard drive as multitrack ring buffer" oldest footage+audio being overwritten. One of the more interesting parts (that may or may not have hit production) was checksum+key propagation system to robustly transfer the most recent footage (prioritised by boarding | departure events) to at least one other bus while alongside in traffic | parked up at stops | terminals. I had issues with a lax approach to secure wireless access (in those early days, etc) .. but the raison d'être was ostensibly not public spying nor common criminal tracking etc. but to have some record of what happens on public transport that might suddenly blow up ... The entire project was smack in the grey area with a mass of ethical questions and a huge potential to slide into a police state swill (no doubt today there are people talking about real time .AI analysis (unless, of course, that was added long ago)). At the time I was working for a private contractor in another field who was branching out and submitting proposals to tenders .. I was not then under any NDA (a relative rarity).

brokenmachine 4y ago
Super interesting, thanks for your comment.

boomboomsubban 4y ago

Remember the DHS is massive and took over a bunch of other agencies. Coast Guard, Customs, Secret Service, INS, TSA, Office of Counternarcotics Enforcement, and quite a few more. Basically any justification you can imagine would fit under one of their heads, the actual reason is probably they thought the data would be useful.

throwaway743 4y ago

DHS? No thanks.