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> Perhaps you should lookup what Carol Dewek means by "achievement mindset" and "growth mindset". I don't think the way you are using it is the same that she is

> Perhaps you should lookup what Carol Dewek means by "achievement mindset" and "growth mindset". I don't think the way you are using it is the same that she is using it. No, I meant confidence comes from achievements, not "achievement mindset" (maybe you mean "fixed mindset"? Dweck never talked about "achievement mindset"). "A process of intrinsic motivation" is fuzzy-thinking gibberish to me. Confidence is the belief that you can accomplish things to an acceptable level, which comes from setting goals and achieving them. If you think I agree with "mainstream culture" on self-esteem then you clearly completely misunderstand me. Mainstream culture seems barely aware that self-esteem exists, and TFA is a perfect example. >> Cultural change needs to be deeply informed by psychology to be effective. >I'm not arguing with you there. Then the rest of your post seems like a disagreement on semantics, because that's my entire point. People who try to address psychological problems on a solely cultural level are causing harm. People who address psychological problems through psychological changes accomplished through cultural changes are effective; but academia today, including most psychologists, rely on such fuzzy thinking and poor logic that they don't even realize the difference. > Are you asking if you are communicating your point of view clearer, or are you saying that your point of view is more correct than mine's, and asking me if that correctness is clearer? Obviously the former, because we're clearly talking past each other.

hosh 4y ago
> "A process of intrinsic motivation" is fuzzy-thinking gibberish to me. Ok, I'm curious. Why do you think that is fuzzy-thinking gibberish to you?
mlyle 4y ago
> , I meant confidence comes from achievements Confidence coming from achievements is a terrible foundation for real confidence. I did all kinds of things, and still found ways to doubt myself or think my purpose was exhausted. Confidence from enjoying growth and knowing I can improve and be valuable no matter what the outcome of what I'm doing now is a much more solid footing. Plus, it makes me try harder, too, instead of having my "achievements" called into question by each failure.
banannaise 4y ago
> Obviously the former, because we're clearly talking past each other. While this happens sometimes, that doesn't look like what's happening here. The other party here is incorporating your ideas into their framework to try to create a combined vision; you're mostly just disagreeing, sometimes with hostility.

hosh 4y ago

> "A process of intrinsic motivation" is fuzzy-thinking gibberish to me. Ok, I'm curious. Why do you think that is fuzzy-thinking gibberish to you?

mlyle 4y ago

> , I meant confidence comes from achievements Confidence coming from achievements is a terrible foundation for real confidence. I did all kinds of things, and still found ways to doubt myself or think my purpose was exhausted. Confidence from enjoying growth and knowing I can improve and be valuable no matter what the outcome of what I'm doing now is a much more solid footing. Plus, it makes me try harder, too, instead of having my "achievements" called into question by each failure.

banannaise 4y ago

> Obviously the former, because we're clearly talking past each other. While this happens sometimes, that doesn't look like what's happening here. The other party here is incorporating your ideas into their framework to try to create a combined vision; you're mostly just disagreeing, sometimes with hostility.