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Imagine how much impact we could have if we used all the effort gong to develop Rust and port everything over to Rust to instead just improve the wrinkles that

Imagine how much impact we could have if we used all the effort gong to develop Rust and port everything over to Rust to instead just improve the wrinkles that exist in C++.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago
If we did that, the Rust folks wouldn't be able to claim credit for the colossal amount of very important code written in C and C++ that gets ported over to Rust. I've never seen a language where feathers in the cap are more important than they are to the Rust community.
- mustache_kimono 4y ago
  Gosh, every Rust post feels like Thanksgiving dinner. Let's settle down. > ... if we used all the effort gong (sic) to develop Rust and port everything over to Rust to instead just improve the wrinkles that exist in C++. If you read the tweet, you might notice Mr. Russinovich isn't actually advocating porting everything to Rust. If you'd care to explain how one might iron out the little wrinkles in C++, you have a captive audience.
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    So he is just complaining without proposing any real solutions then?
    - mustache_kimono 4y ago
      > he is just complaining Um, he is who? > without proposing any real solutions If he is Mr. Russinovich, he is saying, "For the sake of security and reliability. the industry should declare those languages as deprecated." Sounds like a proposal to me?
      - encryptluks2 4y ago
        Not without recommending adequate alternatives.
dodobirdlord 4y ago
Most of the worst issues with C++ can't actually be fixed without backwards incompatible changes that would break large amounts of existing code. Google spent several years advocating for the approach that you're suggesting, but was unable to persuade other members of the C++ standards committee and recently announced that they're working on a replacement language. The rationale for Carbon goes into great detail on why fixing C++ isn't a viable option. https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/trunk/docs/project/difficulties_improving_cpp.md https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/trunk/do... https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang

Imagine how much impact we could have if we used all the effort gong to develop Rust and port everything over to Rust to instead just improve the wrinkles that exist in C++.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago

If we did that, the Rust folks wouldn't be able to claim credit for the colossal amount of very important code written in C and C++ that gets ported over to Rust. I've never seen a language where feathers in the cap are more important than they are to the Rust community.

mustache_kimono 4y ago
Gosh, every Rust post feels like Thanksgiving dinner. Let's settle down. > ... if we used all the effort gong (sic) to develop Rust and port everything over to Rust to instead just improve the wrinkles that exist in C++. If you read the tweet, you might notice Mr. Russinovich isn't actually advocating porting everything to Rust. If you'd care to explain how one might iron out the little wrinkles in C++, you have a captive audience.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  So he is just complaining without proposing any real solutions then?
  - mustache_kimono 4y ago
    > he is just complaining Um, he is who? > without proposing any real solutions If he is Mr. Russinovich, he is saying, "For the sake of security and reliability. the industry should declare those languages as deprecated." Sounds like a proposal to me?
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      Not without recommending adequate alternatives.

dodobirdlord 4y ago

Most of the worst issues with C++ can't actually be fixed without backwards incompatible changes that would break large amounts of existing code. Google spent several years advocating for the approach that you're suggesting, but was unable to persuade other members of the C++ standards committee and recently announced that they're working on a replacement language. The rationale for Carbon goes into great detail on why fixing C++ isn't a viable option. https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/trunk/docs/project/difficulties_improving_cpp.md https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/trunk/do... https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang