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Today: The CCP now has your data What data does the CCP have? The people I follow? The kind of videos I like to watch. My favorites? Videos I "liked"? How exac

by nova22033 4y ago

Today: The CCP now has your data What data does the CCP have? The people I follow? The kind of videos I like to watch. My favorites? Videos I "liked"? How exactly is this a national security threat? I'm all for pushing back against the CCP but it's not clear what "data" they have

kfrzcode 4y ago
All of your related data, on any app you've used on your phone. Read the ToS.
- pphysch 4y ago
  TikTok has a rootkit now? What did I miss?
octoberfranklin 4y ago
It's location data, but none of the US Surveillance State wants to admit this. They're upset about China having this data, but don't want to admit that they have it themselves. This is why all the public discourse on this topic is so utterly incoherent.
ksubedi 4y ago
Let me be the devil's advocate here, they basically have a map of your interests and likes and things that grab your attention. I am not saying China is going to do this, but if a malicious actor wanted to abuse this data, they could potentially craft curated videos that feed your biases using your interests and potentially make you believe any propaganda they wanted. Now imagine a machine learning model doing this instead of humans, it could infer so much more information about how you think and how your brain works based off of that data and do even more harm. Ever thought about buying something and an ad for that casually pops up in your feed? It is going to be similar to that, but instead of ads for a product it could be some misinformation that could cause paranoia (just an example).
- pessimizer 4y ago
  They're going to use your video watching habits to control your mind? If this is so easy, how can we tolerate Youtube, Facebook or Google, especially with their connections to government?
  - ksubedi 4y ago
    I am not saying we can tolerate the other platforms, and there have been great debates and pushbacks on what those other platforms are doing too.
- colinsane 4y ago
  the thing is that from the individual’s point of view there’s nothing new about this. at one point Google/YouTube held this influence over me. later, FB did. now ByteDance does (if i was a TikToker). in all these cases i’m about equally passionate in reducing the amount of power that other party has over me. doesn’t matter if it’s local or foreign. viewing this as a National Security issue has some truth to it, but how on earth do you sell that to the public without decapitating yourself? “oh, it’s dangerous when centralized players hold influence over the masses, of which i am a part? so we’re going to ban everyone engaged in wielding this type of influence over me, right? oh, we’re not? we’re only banning the foreign one? US policy makers must not care about me at all then! US policy makers must not have my best interests in mind.” dunno how they wiggle out of this one.
andreilys 4y ago
Imagine one day you run for office, or hold a position with national security interest. In this scenario, it would be a lot easier to setup a honeypot thanks to all this additional information. In some cases, even blackmail you if you have a private TikTok account that's been linked back to your real identity. I wouldn't be surprised if the CCP keeps a dossier on high profile figures in various countries as part of their influence operations.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > In this scenario, it would be a lot easier to setup a honeypot thanks to all this additional information. In some cases, even blackmail you if you have a private TikTok account that's been linked back to your real identity. What's the difference between TikTok and any other site in its ability to associate IPs with your posts? How exactly would TikTok take advantage of your video viewing or posting data to set up a "honeypot" or do blackmail? Any plausible example would be fine.
treelovinhippie 4y ago

kfrzcode 4y ago

All of your related data, on any app you've used on your phone. Read the ToS.

pphysch 4y ago
TikTok has a rootkit now? What did I miss?

octoberfranklin 4y ago

It's location data, but none of the US Surveillance State wants to admit this. They're upset about China having this data, but don't want to admit that they have it themselves. This is why all the public discourse on this topic is so utterly incoherent.

ksubedi 4y ago

Let me be the devil's advocate here, they basically have a map of your interests and likes and things that grab your attention. I am not saying China is going to do this, but if a malicious actor wanted to abuse this data, they could potentially craft curated videos that feed your biases using your interests and potentially make you believe any propaganda they wanted. Now imagine a machine learning model doing this instead of humans, it could infer so much more information about how you think and how your brain works based off of that data and do even more harm. Ever thought about buying something and an ad for that casually pops up in your feed? It is going to be similar to that, but instead of ads for a product it could be some misinformation that could cause paranoia (just an example).

pessimizer 4y ago
They're going to use your video watching habits to control your mind? If this is so easy, how can we tolerate Youtube, Facebook or Google, especially with their connections to government?
- ksubedi 4y ago
  I am not saying we can tolerate the other platforms, and there have been great debates and pushbacks on what those other platforms are doing too.
colinsane 4y ago
the thing is that from the individual’s point of view there’s nothing new about this. at one point Google/YouTube held this influence over me. later, FB did. now ByteDance does (if i was a TikToker). in all these cases i’m about equally passionate in reducing the amount of power that other party has over me. doesn’t matter if it’s local or foreign. viewing this as a National Security issue has some truth to it, but how on earth do you sell that to the public without decapitating yourself? “oh, it’s dangerous when centralized players hold influence over the masses, of which i am a part? so we’re going to ban everyone engaged in wielding this type of influence over me, right? oh, we’re not? we’re only banning the foreign one? US policy makers must not care about me at all then! US policy makers must not have my best interests in mind.” dunno how they wiggle out of this one.

andreilys 4y ago

Imagine one day you run for office, or hold a position with national security interest. In this scenario, it would be a lot easier to setup a honeypot thanks to all this additional information. In some cases, even blackmail you if you have a private TikTok account that's been linked back to your real identity. I wouldn't be surprised if the CCP keeps a dossier on high profile figures in various countries as part of their influence operations.

pessimizer 4y ago
> In this scenario, it would be a lot easier to setup a honeypot thanks to all this additional information. In some cases, even blackmail you if you have a private TikTok account that's been linked back to your real identity. What's the difference between TikTok and any other site in its ability to associate IPs with your posts? How exactly would TikTok take advantage of your video viewing or posting data to set up a "honeypot" or do blackmail? Any plausible example would be fine.

treelovinhippie 4y ago