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Is their any data sources we could scrape to stop crimes in our neighborhoods so the police don't have any reason to come around and cause problems?

kennywinker 4y ago
You could scrape improved social safety nets, better access to birth control, and taxing the rich to pay for it.
- RobertRoberts 4y ago
  How could we use that data to help prevent crime? To best mimic the success of the original post, it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood so we could help them first with tax relief, food, birth control, whatever would help the most.
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  - banannaise 4y ago
    > it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood That would be the police.
    - RobertRoberts 4y ago
      > That would be the police. Yes, but the fact that we have to monitor them proves they aren't up to the job. The people need to do this, and we should use scraping data to prevent _ALL_ crimes.
      - kennywinker 4y ago
        Not the parent poster but i think they were saying that the police are the ones doing the most damage in the community.
        RobertRoberts 4y ago
        Is there data to show most crime in America is committed by Police? I find that hard to believe.
        kennywinker 4y ago
        Nobody said crime. They said damage to communities.
        RobertRoberts 4y ago
        "Damage caused by police that are not crimes" is so vague as to need clarification, as I can't imagine what that could even be... My point about stopping ALL crime with data is a very clear statement that has validity and merit.
        kennywinker 4y ago
        Not understanding or having experience with something is not the same as it lacking validity and merit. Without understanding the problems and ways police harm communities, throwing data at a problem is unlikely to result in good outcomes. Through the lens of “crime” harm is hard to separate from illegality. Driving with expired plates because you can’t afford it until next month is illegal, but it isn't causing the same amount of harm as burying that person under court fees and fines until they’re homeless. Unless you collect the right data, understand the data's meaning, data is useless. Some starting places on harm police do to communities, if you’re interested: - podcast: season 3 of Serial https://serialpodcast.org/season-three https://serialpodcast.org/season-three - article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/over-policing-of-america_b_4412187 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/over-policing-of-america_b_44... - book: the end of policing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Policing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Policing
        RobertRoberts 4y ago
        I am not sure why you are arguing against stopping crime. Maybe you misunderstood my posts.
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- steve76 4y ago
quickthrower2 4y ago
It would be interesting to do this too. Although this is going to be a yak shave (a good one) - changing the upstream things that cause people to turn to crime.
josh-pdap 4y ago
https://raheem.ai/ https://raheem.ai/ is an interesting project. One idea someone in one of their community calls had was scraping dispatch data to figure out where social services might be useful, and they're creating a dispatch app which lets people ask for non-police help.

kennywinker 4y ago

You could scrape improved social safety nets, better access to birth control, and taxing the rich to pay for it.

RobertRoberts 4y ago
How could we use that data to help prevent crime? To best mimic the success of the original post, it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood so we could help them first with tax relief, food, birth control, whatever would help the most.
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- banannaise 4y ago
  > it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood That would be the police.
  - RobertRoberts 4y ago
    > That would be the police. Yes, but the fact that we have to monitor them proves they aren't up to the job. The people need to do this, and we should use scraping data to prevent _ALL_ crimes.
    - kennywinker 4y ago
      Not the parent poster but i think they were saying that the police are the ones doing the most damage in the community.
      - RobertRoberts 4y ago
        Is there data to show most crime in America is committed by Police? I find that hard to believe.
        kennywinker 4y ago
        Nobody said crime. They said damage to communities.
        RobertRoberts 4y ago
        "Damage caused by police that are not crimes" is so vague as to need clarification, as I can't imagine what that could even be... My point about stopping ALL crime with data is a very clear statement that has validity and merit.
        kennywinker 4y ago
        Not understanding or having experience with something is not the same as it lacking validity and merit. Without understanding the problems and ways police harm communities, throwing data at a problem is unlikely to result in good outcomes. Through the lens of “crime” harm is hard to separate from illegality. Driving with expired plates because you can’t afford it until next month is illegal, but it isn't causing the same amount of harm as burying that person under court fees and fines until they’re homeless. Unless you collect the right data, understand the data's meaning, data is useless. Some starting places on harm police do to communities, if you’re interested: - podcast: season 3 of Serial https://serialpodcast.org/season-three https://serialpodcast.org/season-three - article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/over-policing-of-america_b_4412187 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/over-policing-of-america_b_44... - book: the end of policing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Policing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Policing
        RobertRoberts 4y ago
        I am not sure why you are arguing against stopping crime. Maybe you misunderstood my posts.
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steve76 4y ago

quickthrower2 4y ago

It would be interesting to do this too. Although this is going to be a yak shave (a good one) - changing the upstream things that cause people to turn to crime.

josh-pdap 4y ago

https://raheem.ai/ https://raheem.ai/ is an interesting project. One idea someone in one of their community calls had was scraping dispatch data to figure out where social services might be useful, and they're creating a dispatch app which lets people ask for non-police help.