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It really does seem like Hans is looking down at something after the first move.

dylan604 4y ago
Good gawd, that's some horrible video coverage. The commentators are not even talking about the game at hand. The person blabbering on has to be interrupted and told what has happened. The actual players are but a side bar to whatever this commentary is. This was not a good introduction for me to this world.
- cool_dude85 4y ago
  There's not much to comment on in chess about the first few moves. Around move 3 or 4 you maybe can say "wow, looks like Magnus is going for such-and-such opening."
drexlspivey 4y ago
It’s not about cheating on this match, it’s about a match played two weeks ago. There is also 0 reason to cheat on the opening 2 moves.
- e40 4y ago
  > it’s about a match played two weeks ago Not paying attention. What's that about?
  - permo-w 4y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/comment/ip3f9p0/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/comm...
- arolihas 4y ago
  True, I just thought it was funny. There is no reason to cheat ever either.
yuvadam 4y ago
Are you suggesting he's cheating on move 1?
- shockeychap 4y ago
  I'm not an expert, but I understand chess well enough to know that if a person at that level is going to cheat, they can't just play their own game and then let the computer tell them what moves will save them. They have to use the computer throughout the whole game and slyly use a combination of their moves along with computer-suggested moves. Early moves that are off the mainline but suggested by a computer would provide an interesting and safe avenue for a cheater to get his opponent off their game. So yes, IF he was cheating, he likely would have started cheating on move 1.
  - lesuorac 4y ago
    Definitely not great or an expert at chess but I don't think you're correct. I've definitely heard that knowing that puzzles are much easier for GMs/etc because they know there is a winning move in that situation. Checking the board periodically with an engine to know the evaluation would also let you know when there is a very good move to play.
  - mping 4y ago
    Absolutely no, other GMs such as Daniel Naroditsky said that at that level they only need to get assistance at a couple of critical moments.
  - tetha 4y ago
    You cannot make that assumption at move 3. Even at a very low intermediate level of chess, you can easily know an opening like this for 8 - 10 moves across 2 - 5 variations. I know cause I do. Master Level Prep of the Kings Indian goes 20 moves deep across 5 - 8 possible variations. This has been demonstrated over the board several times. It's trivial to find opening theory lessons on youtube on playing the kings indian defence covering 5+ counter lines going 10+ moves deep, even on weird lines. And then there are books about this opening. There is zero value in starting to cheat on move 1.

Good gawd, that's some horrible video coverage. The commentators are not even talking about the game at hand. The person blabbering on has to be interrupted and told what has happened. The actual players are but a side bar to whatever this commentary is. This was not a good introduction for me to this world.

cool_dude85 4y ago
There's not much to comment on in chess about the first few moves. Around move 3 or 4 you maybe can say "wow, looks like Magnus is going for such-and-such opening."

drexlspivey 4y ago

It’s not about cheating on this match, it’s about a match played two weeks ago. There is also 0 reason to cheat on the opening 2 moves.

e40 4y ago
> it’s about a match played two weeks ago Not paying attention. What's that about?
- permo-w 4y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/comment/ip3f9p0/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/comm...
arolihas 4y ago
True, I just thought it was funny. There is no reason to cheat ever either.

yuvadam 4y ago

Are you suggesting he's cheating on move 1?

shockeychap 4y ago
I'm not an expert, but I understand chess well enough to know that if a person at that level is going to cheat, they can't just play their own game and then let the computer tell them what moves will save them. They have to use the computer throughout the whole game and slyly use a combination of their moves along with computer-suggested moves. Early moves that are off the mainline but suggested by a computer would provide an interesting and safe avenue for a cheater to get his opponent off their game. So yes, IF he was cheating, he likely would have started cheating on move 1.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  Definitely not great or an expert at chess but I don't think you're correct. I've definitely heard that knowing that puzzles are much easier for GMs/etc because they know there is a winning move in that situation. Checking the board periodically with an engine to know the evaluation would also let you know when there is a very good move to play.
- mping 4y ago
  Absolutely no, other GMs such as Daniel Naroditsky said that at that level they only need to get assistance at a couple of critical moments.
- tetha 4y ago
  You cannot make that assumption at move 3. Even at a very low intermediate level of chess, you can easily know an opening like this for 8 - 10 moves across 2 - 5 variations. I know cause I do. Master Level Prep of the Kings Indian goes 20 moves deep across 5 - 8 possible variations. This has been demonstrated over the board several times. It's trivial to find opening theory lessons on youtube on playing the kings indian defence covering 5+ counter lines going 10+ moves deep, even on weird lines. And then there are books about this opening. There is zero value in starting to cheat on move 1.