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He hasn't even made a statement. The entire chess world has accused Niemann of cheating at this point, and Carlsen hasn't said a word. It's f'ing embarrassing.

He hasn't even made a statement. The entire chess world has accused Niemann of cheating at this point, and Carlsen hasn't said a word. It's f'ing embarrassing. Further, Carlsen isn't just the #1 GM, and the most popular chess player in the world, his company also owns and partially owns 2 of the biggest chess platforms in the world. At this point for him to not even have made a statement is inexplicable.

jjulius 4y ago
I am a complete outsider when it comes to chess. I know the basics and can play, but I've spent very little time on it and have no idea about the dynamics of the "chess world". All that is to say, is that as an outsider looking in at this controversy, I think it's utterly insane for anyone to be taking sides on this issue while Carlsen has said nothing, nor tried at all to shed light on anything. The additional context in this comment chain (and thread) definitely hurt his trustworthiness as well. Edit: Always happy to learn and adjust my perspectives. I don't mind the downvotes, but in the interest of personal growth I don't mind chatting about why I might be wrong. I also straight up admitted I'm likely to be ignorant on the subject, so hey - point me in the right direction!
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  Carlsen didn’t actually say nothing. That’s the heart of the issue. He posted a semi-cryptic tweet then resigned after one move during their next game. He is manifestly trying to imply something which greatly impacts another player while avoiding actually saying it which most people tend to find frankly disrespectful and a bit childish.
jstx1 4y ago
I'm not seeing what's embarrassing about any of this (or how it's related to him having stake in a chess website), or why you think it's so important that he makes a statement but I don't think I'll change your mind about it.
natch 4y ago
Didn’t he make a statement on Twitter? I’m not saying Twitter is formal or anything but are we gatekeeping what is a statement? Or did I just hear wrong?
- 6nf 4y ago
  All he said on Twitter was 'I cant say more because i'll get into trouble' after his initial resignation from the live event a couple of weeks ago.
  - natch 4y ago
    Then he’s telling us why he didn’t have a further statement. I guess that clears things up.
jeff-davis 4y ago
One possible explanation is that cheating is a serious charge, and he's a chess player and probably wants to avoid getting involved in rules enforcement. Also, he probably doesn't want to get sued.
impossiblefork 4y ago
There's analysis showing very few blunders and mistakes, not just for his rating, but in general and there are games of his with very strong correlation between his moves and the then best versions of Stockfish. He is certainly cheating.
- neaden 4y ago
  Ken Ragan is the world regarded expert on detecting cheating on Chess through statistics and he says there is no proof of Hans cheating: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/did-hans-niemann-cheat-the-evidence-im-ken-regan/id794030859?i=1000579423486 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/did-hans-niemann-cheat...
  - impossiblefork 4y ago
    You say so, but others too have looked into it. This guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG9XeSPflrU&t=2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG9XeSPflrU&t=2s) isn't an IM, only an FM, but I don't think the skill matters, it's a matter of statistical analysis, which I don't think has been performed fully systematically, but from what I've seen I am fully convinced that Niemann cheated and I am convinced that the matter will become very clear once a careful analysis is finally performed.
    - neaden 4y ago
      I agree it's a matter of statistical analysis, as well as being an IM Dr. Ragan is a professor at University of Buffalo, has published numerous papers on his methodology, and a former member of the Anti-Cheating Committee of the World Chess Federation. You say you want an analysis but you also say you are already convinced he's guilty and are just looking for something to confirm that.
      - impossiblefork 4y ago
        Yes, I think it's clear that he's guilt from the games I've seen, the low mistake rates etc., and it surprises me that Ragan disagrees. Unfortunately I can't spend the time actually having a look at Ragan's analysis.
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jjulius 4y ago

I am a complete outsider when it comes to chess. I know the basics and can play, but I've spent very little time on it and have no idea about the dynamics of the "chess world". All that is to say, is that as an outsider looking in at this controversy, I think it's utterly insane for anyone to be taking sides on this issue while Carlsen has said nothing, nor tried at all to shed light on anything. The additional context in this comment chain (and thread) definitely hurt his trustworthiness as well. Edit: Always happy to learn and adjust my perspectives. I don't mind the downvotes, but in the interest of personal growth I don't mind chatting about why I might be wrong. I also straight up admitted I'm likely to be ignorant on the subject, so hey - point me in the right direction!

WastingMyTime89 4y ago
Carlsen didn’t actually say nothing. That’s the heart of the issue. He posted a semi-cryptic tweet then resigned after one move during their next game. He is manifestly trying to imply something which greatly impacts another player while avoiding actually saying it which most people tend to find frankly disrespectful and a bit childish.

jstx1 4y ago

I'm not seeing what's embarrassing about any of this (or how it's related to him having stake in a chess website), or why you think it's so important that he makes a statement but I don't think I'll change your mind about it.

natch 4y ago

Didn’t he make a statement on Twitter? I’m not saying Twitter is formal or anything but are we gatekeeping what is a statement? Or did I just hear wrong?

6nf 4y ago
All he said on Twitter was 'I cant say more because i'll get into trouble' after his initial resignation from the live event a couple of weeks ago.
- natch 4y ago
  Then he’s telling us why he didn’t have a further statement. I guess that clears things up.

jeff-davis 4y ago

One possible explanation is that cheating is a serious charge, and he's a chess player and probably wants to avoid getting involved in rules enforcement. Also, he probably doesn't want to get sued.

impossiblefork 4y ago

There's analysis showing very few blunders and mistakes, not just for his rating, but in general and there are games of his with very strong correlation between his moves and the then best versions of Stockfish. He is certainly cheating.

neaden 4y ago
Ken Ragan is the world regarded expert on detecting cheating on Chess through statistics and he says there is no proof of Hans cheating: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/did-hans-niemann-cheat-the-evidence-im-ken-regan/id794030859?i=1000579423486 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/did-hans-niemann-cheat...
- impossiblefork 4y ago
  You say so, but others too have looked into it. This guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG9XeSPflrU&t=2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG9XeSPflrU&t=2s) isn't an IM, only an FM, but I don't think the skill matters, it's a matter of statistical analysis, which I don't think has been performed fully systematically, but from what I've seen I am fully convinced that Niemann cheated and I am convinced that the matter will become very clear once a careful analysis is finally performed.
  - neaden 4y ago
    I agree it's a matter of statistical analysis, as well as being an IM Dr. Ragan is a professor at University of Buffalo, has published numerous papers on his methodology, and a former member of the Anti-Cheating Committee of the World Chess Federation. You say you want an analysis but you also say you are already convinced he's guilty and are just looking for something to confirm that.
    - impossiblefork 4y ago
      Yes, I think it's clear that he's guilt from the games I've seen, the low mistake rates etc., and it surprises me that Ragan disagrees. Unfortunately I can't spend the time actually having a look at Ragan's analysis.

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