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Really happy to see this write up. I’m probably in the tank, but I genuinely believe that Apple strives to do right by its customers, and to be a good company.

Really happy to see this write up. I’m probably in the tank, but I genuinely believe that Apple strives to do right by its customers, and to be a good company. it’s not a nonprofit, and I don’t expect them to act like one. Sometimes I feel like people enjoy piling on because they are the big dog. Again, please don’t mistake this comment for a blindness to some of its operations. But it’s nice to see them get credit for the good stuff.

mildmotive 4y ago
> Apple strives to do right by its customers, and to be a good company Meanwhile, millions of people accidentally turn on iCloud without understanding the consequences, due to Apple’s UI decisions. Apple need to do way more than this to show that they really strive to be good.
- dylan604 4y ago
  So after however many years since iCloud was offered, I finally broke down and decided to subscribe. It's way more than just a switch that can be accidentally flipped. I had to agree to terms (yes, not a show stopper), and I had to authorize payment. Are people as cavalier with authorizing payments as they are to accepting ToS?
  - gene91 4y ago
    I think you’re confusing iCloud and iCloud+. The former doesn’t require payment.
- newtritious 4y ago
  You haven’t said what these evil consequences are.
spogbiper 4y ago
They are one of the most profitable companies in the world.. basically the opposite of a non-profit, and they do generally act like it. It's not unexpected, but it isn't good for me as a consumer.
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cromka 4y ago
I'd rather say they simply know that being evil is not a good look. It's still driven by profit, they just have a more holistic view on that.
- newtritious 4y ago
  This is kind of a weird take. If everyone is driven by profit, but some get it by evil means and others get it by doing things that benefit their customers, can’t we simply say that the people who do evil stuff are evil, and the ones who don’t aren’t?
  - cromka 4y ago
    I guess I should have stressed the "look" part a bit more.
    - newtritious 4y ago
      The implication being that they only ‘look’ like they are not evil, but secretly they actually are?
      - cromka 4y ago
        Not that they are completely evil, just that they know how to play the public and shareholders to come off as future-oriented, sustainable, humane, etc., which gives them some leeway to deal with their issues in China for example.
        newtritious 4y ago
        Again the innuendo. You are agreeing that they are behaving in a sustainable, future-oriented, sustainable, humane way, but presenting this as if it’s not actually true. The fact that China hasn’t improved on human rights the way everyone expected them to do over the last two decades is indeed a problem for Apple, and everyone else who does business there, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are in fact making their phones more repairable, which is beneficial to the environment and consumers in reality, and not just in appearance.
hetspookjee 4y ago
Oh come on. The backside is made of glass and costs an astonishing 570euros to replace. That’s not striving to do right.
- kaba0 4y ago
  What other material is basically impossible to scratch?
  - hetspookjee 4y ago
    I’m not suggesting an alternative material. I’m suggesting a more sane way of replacing the backside. For the iPhone 13 Pro it’s so expensive and hard to do they even just hand you a new phone rather than fixing it.
    - colejohnson66 4y ago
      Hence, why the 14's back glass is more accessible, like the iPhone 4's was.
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ksec 4y ago
I am Anti-Apple with their recent change in politics, but generally speaking I do agree they do a decent job. It is also sad their competitors does't give a damn about anything.
- mobiledev2014 4y ago
  That's really what makes Apple look like the good guy- the other top players are openly evil and unquestionably provide net-negative value to society.

mildmotive 4y ago

> Apple strives to do right by its customers, and to be a good company Meanwhile, millions of people accidentally turn on iCloud without understanding the consequences, due to Apple’s UI decisions. Apple need to do way more than this to show that they really strive to be good.

dylan604 4y ago
So after however many years since iCloud was offered, I finally broke down and decided to subscribe. It's way more than just a switch that can be accidentally flipped. I had to agree to terms (yes, not a show stopper), and I had to authorize payment. Are people as cavalier with authorizing payments as they are to accepting ToS?
- gene91 4y ago
  I think you’re confusing iCloud and iCloud+. The former doesn’t require payment.
newtritious 4y ago
You haven’t said what these evil consequences are.

spogbiper 4y ago

They are one of the most profitable companies in the world.. basically the opposite of a non-profit, and they do generally act like it. It's not unexpected, but it isn't good for me as a consumer.

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cromka 4y ago

I'd rather say they simply know that being evil is not a good look. It's still driven by profit, they just have a more holistic view on that.

newtritious 4y ago
This is kind of a weird take. If everyone is driven by profit, but some get it by evil means and others get it by doing things that benefit their customers, can’t we simply say that the people who do evil stuff are evil, and the ones who don’t aren’t?
- cromka 4y ago
  I guess I should have stressed the "look" part a bit more.
  - newtritious 4y ago
    The implication being that they only ‘look’ like they are not evil, but secretly they actually are?
    - cromka 4y ago
      Not that they are completely evil, just that they know how to play the public and shareholders to come off as future-oriented, sustainable, humane, etc., which gives them some leeway to deal with their issues in China for example.
      - newtritious 4y ago
        Again the innuendo. You are agreeing that they are behaving in a sustainable, future-oriented, sustainable, humane way, but presenting this as if it’s not actually true. The fact that China hasn’t improved on human rights the way everyone expected them to do over the last two decades is indeed a problem for Apple, and everyone else who does business there, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are in fact making their phones more repairable, which is beneficial to the environment and consumers in reality, and not just in appearance.

hetspookjee 4y ago

Oh come on. The backside is made of glass and costs an astonishing 570euros to replace. That’s not striving to do right.

kaba0 4y ago
What other material is basically impossible to scratch?
- hetspookjee 4y ago
  I’m not suggesting an alternative material. I’m suggesting a more sane way of replacing the backside. For the iPhone 13 Pro it’s so expensive and hard to do they even just hand you a new phone rather than fixing it.
  - colejohnson66 4y ago
    Hence, why the 14's back glass is more accessible, like the iPhone 4's was.
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ksec 4y ago

I am Anti-Apple with their recent change in politics, but generally speaking I do agree they do a decent job. It is also sad their competitors does't give a damn about anything.

mobiledev2014 4y ago
That's really what makes Apple look like the good guy- the other top players are openly evil and unquestionably provide net-negative value to society.