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People want to live their lives without being harassed and without having their property damaged or their loved ones harmed.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
If you had to choose between property or people, which would it be?
- hollywood_court 4y ago
  I would choose my family’s safety and well being over the life of a stranger every time.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    You can just say property. No judgement here. Property rights form the basis of society.
dominotw 4y ago
sure thats totally fair but There are literally thousands of places you can move to if thats really your priority. You are clearly prioritizing something else over safety to continue to live there.
- hollywood_court 4y ago
  You're essentially saying "if you don't like it, leave." I hope you understand that it's attitudes like yours that are driving otherwise moderate people to join the GOP and become conservative voters. And you're placing the onus on the contributing members of society who just wish to be left alone. Rather than having the criminals correct or stop their behavior.
  - dominotw 4y ago
    > You're essentially saying "if you don't like it, leave." Yes if you have options then why not. People make these decisions everyday. You are saying X is your top priority then I don't understand what stoping you from achieving that X when you have all the resources in the world to make it possible. Why do you need compassion from others if you already have the resources to achieve your own goals. What i am missing here.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > Why do you need compassion from others if you already have the resources to achieve your own goals. What i am missing here. Communities are more than a package of policies. Californians are unsatisfied with the status quo. They could decamp. Or they could work to change the system. They're doing the latter.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Nah. It is time to stop blaming democrats for republican policies. People go to GOP, because they like GOP as it is. I never seen progressives being blamed on GOP with equivalent "they made them do it".
    - hollywood_court 4y ago
      I’m not blaming democrats for GOP policy. Voters who are on the fence are only one incident like this away from becoming GOP voters. And when you have people like the person I replied to saying “oh well, just move if you don’t want people shitting in your yard”, that’s going to drive those people to the GOP.
      - watwut 4y ago
        Those people are not on the fence. They are pro GOP, maybe needing excuse. The people actually on the fence would be equally likely to flip to democrats after hearing equivalent slightly non accommodating phrase. But they are nowhere near of that. GOP does not have to top toe around them, they can go fully openly insulting and it is fine. It is not being on the fence. It is being pro GOP, seeing its excesses and feeling slightly ashamed for them, so wanting to blame democrats for them.

kelseyfrog 4y ago

If you had to choose between property or people, which would it be?

hollywood_court 4y ago
I would choose my family’s safety and well being over the life of a stranger every time.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  You can just say property. No judgement here. Property rights form the basis of society.

dominotw 4y ago

sure thats totally fair but There are literally thousands of places you can move to if thats really your priority. You are clearly prioritizing something else over safety to continue to live there.

hollywood_court 4y ago
You're essentially saying "if you don't like it, leave." I hope you understand that it's attitudes like yours that are driving otherwise moderate people to join the GOP and become conservative voters. And you're placing the onus on the contributing members of society who just wish to be left alone. Rather than having the criminals correct or stop their behavior.
- dominotw 4y ago
  > You're essentially saying "if you don't like it, leave." Yes if you have options then why not. People make these decisions everyday. You are saying X is your top priority then I don't understand what stoping you from achieving that X when you have all the resources in the world to make it possible. Why do you need compassion from others if you already have the resources to achieve your own goals. What i am missing here.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > Why do you need compassion from others if you already have the resources to achieve your own goals. What i am missing here. Communities are more than a package of policies. Californians are unsatisfied with the status quo. They could decamp. Or they could work to change the system. They're doing the latter.
- watwut 4y ago
  Nah. It is time to stop blaming democrats for republican policies. People go to GOP, because they like GOP as it is. I never seen progressives being blamed on GOP with equivalent "they made them do it".
  - hollywood_court 4y ago
    I’m not blaming democrats for GOP policy. Voters who are on the fence are only one incident like this away from becoming GOP voters. And when you have people like the person I replied to saying “oh well, just move if you don’t want people shitting in your yard”, that’s going to drive those people to the GOP.
    - watwut 4y ago
      Those people are not on the fence. They are pro GOP, maybe needing excuse. The people actually on the fence would be equally likely to flip to democrats after hearing equivalent slightly non accommodating phrase. But they are nowhere near of that. GOP does not have to top toe around them, they can go fully openly insulting and it is fine. It is not being on the fence. It is being pro GOP, seeing its excesses and feeling slightly ashamed for them, so wanting to blame democrats for them.