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You are at liberty to buy other products and leave these to those who are happy about the security considerations.

by pb7 4y ago

stale2002 4y ago
Hey, if Apple doesn't want to follow the new Right to Repair laws, then it can shutdown the company or move to a different country. They have an obligation to follow the law as much as any other company.
sennight 4y ago
You know, I bet somebody responded very similarly to a complaint about the first game studio to put loot boxes in their games. Now we are plagued by them. "Don't like it? Well just make your own ____!" is another classic.
- deleted 4y ago
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- eropple 4y ago
  If you play AAA games or mobile games, sure, you're plagued by them. I don't play either. The games I do play don't have much in the way of that sort of thing at all. And I think they're more fun games besides.
  - sennight 4y ago
    I don't understand your point, which effectively seems to be "not all games!" This is actually a zero sum scenario, games that are pay-to-win would have been something else had the concept not been popularized. Even games that are completely structured around these gambling mechanics... no, they wouldn't necessarily be different games in an alternate reality - they'd just be a different use of the dev's time. So maybe a birdhouse. Also, if this was a derail attempt - well done, I'm now thinking about carpentry instead of how much I dislike Apple.
    - eropple 4y ago
      > I don't understand your point, which effectively seems to be "not all games!" It's more "capitalism dot txt is a thing, yes, but you're opting in." Which you can totally do. I am saying that this is a venue where you don't have to.
- pb7 4y ago
  Weird, I have never played a game with lootboxes nor have I had to even think about avoiding it. Only supports my point that your fear of it affecting you is unfounded in reality. Except I didn't say make your own, I said pick from the variety of competitors. Who are you to dictate what a third party does, especially when that third party's decisions are well liked by their customers? I don't want the "freedom" to put in cheap aftermarket parts in my high end device, I want it to work extremely well and it does.
  - sennight 4y ago
    > Except I didn't say make your own... No, that is what comes next - after somebody mentions Apple's part in the herpes like spread of chicklet keyboards. > Who are you to dictate what a third party does... Who are you to put words in my mouth? I've counseled something other than compulsion, I've suggested that you and apologists like you should be openly mocked for reasons that I can't list - because it would be bullying, run afoul of various codes of conduct, etc.
shuntress 4y ago
Sort of. For now. How much higher do the walls need to become before it's no longer reasonable to live outside Apple's garden?
- joshmanders 4y ago
  > How much higher do the walls need to become before it's no longer reasonable to live outside Apple's garden? Do you mean "How much longer do I have to watch people enjoy their cake before I give in and want to eat the cake too?" I find it pretty absurd that people demand Apple do things differently because their choice of alternative feels the need to follow Apple instead of leading themselves.
- pb7 4y ago
  Slippery slope fallacy. Wake me up when it actually happens because it never does.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    This is the fallacy fallacy. Just because you can identify a potential logical fallacy in a statement doesn't mean it isn't true.
  - shuntress 4y ago
    It's not a slippery slope. It's just the natural progression of a monopoly.
    - pb7 4y ago
      It’s not a monopoly.
      - shuntress 4y ago
        It's the natural progression of a monopoly.
phpisthebest 4y ago
Dont worry I do, the problem is all the other companies play "Follow the Apple" The solution is never just "dont by apple if you do not like it" the solution is highlighting why it is bad, and getting people to pressure companies like Apple to change. Right to Repair is movement, and it is winning. Part of right to repair includes resistance to parts serialization, and/or ensuring that approving new parts that are serialized is free and open to all end users not locked down to only "Authorized repair"
- sennight 4y ago
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  - pb7 4y ago
    Your "solution" to people buying products they love is "unrestrained ridicule"? Who hurt you that you have such disdain for people choosing to live the way the want? Look inside yourself and seek help dude.
    - sennight 4y ago
- pb7 4y ago
  >the problem is all the other companies play "Follow the Apple" Then blame the companies you buy from. You are not an Apple customer so they don't owe you anything. Frankly I'm tired of people that don't even buy the products constantly trying to dictate what those products should be.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    You don't have to be an Apple customer to be affected by Apple's anticompetitive business practices. Apple's actions affect the whole market and all consumers in that market, that's the point behind antitrust law and litigation.

You are at liberty to buy other products and leave these to those who are happy about the security considerations.

by pb7 4y ago

You are at liberty to buy other products and leave these to those who are happy about the security considerations.

stale2002 4y ago

Hey, if Apple doesn't want to follow the new Right to Repair laws, then it can shutdown the company or move to a different country. They have an obligation to follow the law as much as any other company.

sennight 4y ago

You know, I bet somebody responded very similarly to a complaint about the first game studio to put loot boxes in their games. Now we are plagued by them. "Don't like it? Well just make your own ____!" is another classic.

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eropple 4y ago
If you play AAA games or mobile games, sure, you're plagued by them. I don't play either. The games I do play don't have much in the way of that sort of thing at all. And I think they're more fun games besides.
- sennight 4y ago
  I don't understand your point, which effectively seems to be "not all games!" This is actually a zero sum scenario, games that are pay-to-win would have been something else had the concept not been popularized. Even games that are completely structured around these gambling mechanics... no, they wouldn't necessarily be different games in an alternate reality - they'd just be a different use of the dev's time. So maybe a birdhouse. Also, if this was a derail attempt - well done, I'm now thinking about carpentry instead of how much I dislike Apple.
  - eropple 4y ago
    > I don't understand your point, which effectively seems to be "not all games!" It's more "capitalism dot txt is a thing, yes, but you're opting in." Which you can totally do. I am saying that this is a venue where you don't have to.
pb7 4y ago
Weird, I have never played a game with lootboxes nor have I had to even think about avoiding it. Only supports my point that your fear of it affecting you is unfounded in reality. Except I didn't say make your own, I said pick from the variety of competitors. Who are you to dictate what a third party does, especially when that third party's decisions are well liked by their customers? I don't want the "freedom" to put in cheap aftermarket parts in my high end device, I want it to work extremely well and it does.
- sennight 4y ago
  > Except I didn't say make your own... No, that is what comes next - after somebody mentions Apple's part in the herpes like spread of chicklet keyboards. > Who are you to dictate what a third party does... Who are you to put words in my mouth? I've counseled something other than compulsion, I've suggested that you and apologists like you should be openly mocked for reasons that I can't list - because it would be bullying, run afoul of various codes of conduct, etc.

shuntress 4y ago

Sort of. For now. How much higher do the walls need to become before it's no longer reasonable to live outside Apple's garden?

joshmanders 4y ago
> How much higher do the walls need to become before it's no longer reasonable to live outside Apple's garden? Do you mean "How much longer do I have to watch people enjoy their cake before I give in and want to eat the cake too?" I find it pretty absurd that people demand Apple do things differently because their choice of alternative feels the need to follow Apple instead of leading themselves.
pb7 4y ago
Slippery slope fallacy. Wake me up when it actually happens because it never does.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  This is the fallacy fallacy. Just because you can identify a potential logical fallacy in a statement doesn't mean it isn't true.
- shuntress 4y ago
  It's not a slippery slope. It's just the natural progression of a monopoly.
  - pb7 4y ago
    It’s not a monopoly.
    - shuntress 4y ago
      It's the natural progression of a monopoly.

phpisthebest 4y ago

Dont worry I do, the problem is all the other companies play "Follow the Apple" The solution is never just "dont by apple if you do not like it" the solution is highlighting why it is bad, and getting people to pressure companies like Apple to change. Right to Repair is movement, and it is winning. Part of right to repair includes resistance to parts serialization, and/or ensuring that approving new parts that are serialized is free and open to all end users not locked down to only "Authorized repair"

sennight 4y ago
[flagged]
- pb7 4y ago
  Your "solution" to people buying products they love is "unrestrained ridicule"? Who hurt you that you have such disdain for people choosing to live the way the want? Look inside yourself and seek help dude.
  - sennight 4y ago
pb7 4y ago
>the problem is all the other companies play "Follow the Apple" Then blame the companies you buy from. You are not an Apple customer so they don't owe you anything. Frankly I'm tired of people that don't even buy the products constantly trying to dictate what those products should be.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  You don't have to be an Apple customer to be affected by Apple's anticompetitive business practices. Apple's actions affect the whole market and all consumers in that market, that's the point behind antitrust law and litigation.