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> If people didn’t want tight integration, then products that are built specifically for tight integration are just not the right tool for the job that they wan

> If people didn’t want tight integration, then products that are built specifically for tight integration are just not the right tool for the job that they want to do, and I don’t understand why they can’t simply choose not to buy the product. This, a million times. I never understand the take “this product is a runaway, worldwide success, and I want to use it as well because it’s by far the best, but I also want various other of my own, individual priorities factored in” in some sort of mythical unicorn product. And because many of us are hackers/makers/programmers/tinkerers, one of those priorities is the ability to have all of the above, but also unfettered access to the internals to modify it as we please. It’s like… this car is perfect for my needs in every way, and far and above the best in its class. But I want it to run on hydrogen, so if they could just do that, it’d be perfect. Why are they forcing me to run on electric? Dude, don’t buy it?

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
> I never understand the take “this product is a runaway, worldwide success, and I want to use it as well because it’s by far the best, but I also want various other of my own, individual priorities factored in” in some sort of mythical unicorn product. Just because a product is a runaway success does not mean it's also not a potential environmental disaster waiting to happen. Cars were also a runaway success. So were plastic bags and straws. So was snake oil and so are various sugary fizzy drinks that destroy your health. We can't just leave everything to the free market and the uninformed preferences of the consumers and watch everything around us burn because $THING is successful because $CORPORATION advertises it and consumers love it, otherwise we end up in the dystopian Idiocracy scenario of "Brawndo is what plants crave because it has electrolytes and is the no. 1 thirst mutilator". That's why we should regulate products that are a runaway success to make sure their success doesn't come at the expense of other things around us.
- incanus77 4y ago
  > That's why we should regulate products that are a runaway success to make sure their success doesn't come at the expense of other things around us. Yes, I agree completely. But I wasn't talking about regulation, I was talking about tinkerer users not understanding how the delicate balance achieved by a product is the reason that it is successful and good.
makeitdouble 4y ago
To note, it would be a waste of everyone’s time to scrutinize a product that has almost no users; it would need to have a really atrocious effect to make it worth considering. It’s exactly because it’s a runaway success that people care about repairability, environmental impact etc.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

> I never understand the take “this product is a runaway, worldwide success, and I want to use it as well because it’s by far the best, but I also want various other of my own, individual priorities factored in” in some sort of mythical unicorn product. Just because a product is a runaway success does not mean it's also not a potential environmental disaster waiting to happen. Cars were also a runaway success. So were plastic bags and straws. So was snake oil and so are various sugary fizzy drinks that destroy your health. We can't just leave everything to the free market and the uninformed preferences of the consumers and watch everything around us burn because $THING is successful because $CORPORATION advertises it and consumers love it, otherwise we end up in the dystopian Idiocracy scenario of "Brawndo is what plants crave because it has electrolytes and is the no. 1 thirst mutilator". That's why we should regulate products that are a runaway success to make sure their success doesn't come at the expense of other things around us.

incanus77 4y ago
> That's why we should regulate products that are a runaway success to make sure their success doesn't come at the expense of other things around us. Yes, I agree completely. But I wasn't talking about regulation, I was talking about tinkerer users not understanding how the delicate balance achieved by a product is the reason that it is successful and good.

makeitdouble 4y ago

To note, it would be a waste of everyone’s time to scrutinize a product that has almost no users; it would need to have a really atrocious effect to make it worth considering. It’s exactly because it’s a runaway success that people care about repairability, environmental impact etc.