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Strictly on economic terms, how much of a discount would you get on a developer if he/she is likely to take 1-2 year off at some point? During that time, you ha

by iwwr 15y ago

Strictly on economic terms, how much of a discount would you get on a developer if he/she is likely to take 1-2 year off at some point? During that time, you have to hire another person, train them and then tell them to leave.

vidarh 15y ago
Which is an interesting question, but it is irrelevant in terms of the linked post, which specifically points out that the person in question is hiring women at lower salaries because they don't ask and he's following policy, not because he's adverse to giving them higher salaries if they do ask (and he has the flexibility to at least narrow the gap).
- dexen 15y ago
  It may well be relevant -- if the women in question considered their negotiating posision weaker because of possible future maternity leave.
nupark2 15y ago
You're being downvoted, but this is quite honestly something I've witnessed C-levels worrying about -- "does she seem like she might get pregnant immediately?". I have to disagree with the concern. There's a cost to hiring humans. People get sick, have babies, attend weddings and funerals and take vacations. Men take paternity leave, women take maternity leave. These are the costs of hiring humans. In my mind, our company exists to turn a profit, but it also exists to employ human beings. Treating them like human beings is money well spent, not money wasted.
- iwwr 15y ago
  As an employer, I would do my utmost to attend to these human problems, especially it's a valuable employee. However, the costs, opportunity-wise, still exist and we pay them, willingly or not.
nknight 15y ago
In the US, a year of family leave is, to say the least, unlikely, and legally required nowhere. But even if it were, most companies that last long enough to have somebody come back from a 1+ year leave most likely are, or have become, large enough that there's no reason to lay off the "replacement". Developers in particular are rarely terminated individually for economic reasons. There's always something for them to do, some way to extract value from them. Companies don't usually start dropping good people until they're dropping a bunch of them at once, and usually deadweight layoffs have preceded.
- a3camero 15y ago
  If you're curious about other jurisdictions; in Ontario you generally get 17 weeks pregnancy leave and then both parents can take 35-37 weeks of parental leave: http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.php#pregnancy http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.....

by iwwr 15y ago

vidarh 15y ago

Which is an interesting question, but it is irrelevant in terms of the linked post, which specifically points out that the person in question is hiring women at lower salaries because they don't ask and he's following policy, not because he's adverse to giving them higher salaries if they do ask (and he has the flexibility to at least narrow the gap).

dexen 15y ago
It may well be relevant -- if the women in question considered their negotiating posision weaker because of possible future maternity leave.

nupark2 15y ago

You're being downvoted, but this is quite honestly something I've witnessed C-levels worrying about -- "does she seem like she might get pregnant immediately?". I have to disagree with the concern. There's a cost to hiring humans. People get sick, have babies, attend weddings and funerals and take vacations. Men take paternity leave, women take maternity leave. These are the costs of hiring humans. In my mind, our company exists to turn a profit, but it also exists to employ human beings. Treating them like human beings is money well spent, not money wasted.

iwwr 15y ago
As an employer, I would do my utmost to attend to these human problems, especially it's a valuable employee. However, the costs, opportunity-wise, still exist and we pay them, willingly or not.

nknight 15y ago

In the US, a year of family leave is, to say the least, unlikely, and legally required nowhere. But even if it were, most companies that last long enough to have somebody come back from a 1+ year leave most likely are, or have become, large enough that there's no reason to lay off the "replacement". Developers in particular are rarely terminated individually for economic reasons. There's always something for them to do, some way to extract value from them. Companies don't usually start dropping good people until they're dropping a bunch of them at once, and usually deadweight layoffs have preceded.

a3camero 15y ago
If you're curious about other jurisdictions; in Ontario you generally get 17 weeks pregnancy leave and then both parents can take 35-37 weeks of parental leave: http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.php#pregnancy http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/pubs/guide/pregnancy.....