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This has gotta be cus of pressure from EU? Like if they didnt make them more repairable it might be illegal to sell them here soon.

edhelas 4y ago
Naaahhhh it's only because they wanted to. Took a few years and a few hundred millions difficult to repair devices to get there.
kmeisthax 4y ago
The EU pressure would be in the domains of software distribution (Apple thinks third-party app stores are just malware) and charger compatibility (Apple still holds onto Lightning). They've yet to talk about either of these at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of these requirements is either geolocked or exclusive to EU models.
- tomxor 4y ago
  > Apple thinks third-party app stores are just malware Apple is greedy not stupid. They don't want third party app stores because it would cause competition and interfere with their almost entirely vertically integrated consumer milking machine... they don't care about malware, they care about control, controlling the user, to make sure they spend as much money as possible with Apple. Notice that they have been increasingly swapping out as much third party as possible so they can take all of the profit, they "produce" film and tv shows and sell those tv shows on a device they make with a payment processing method they own... lots of layers of profit, it goes well beyond monopoly, they are destroying the concept of a free market. They do similar things with hardware and tech, buying out or forcing businesses into positions where they have to sell to Apple out or get pushed out.
  - spideymans 4y ago
    I can assure you there are plenty of people within the Apple organization that genuinely care about security and privacy. And if Apple happens to profit due to those efforts, all the better. Not everything is some evil nefarious ploy.
    - makeitdouble 4y ago
      There’s also very nice people working for Oracle. That doesn’t really reflect on how decisions are taken and what priorities are set at the higher level.
      - spideymans 4y ago
        This is just nonsensical speculating, unless we understand the internal motivations of Apple’s decision makers. Maybe they’re evil and view this as a tool to dominate the world. Maybe they think these are genuinely beneficial decisions for their customers. Who knows.
        tomxor 4y ago
        > This is just nonsensical speculating, unless we understand the internal motivations of Apple’s decision makers No, your reasoning is nonsensical, you can defend anything with that argument. If you apply it to the rest of the world then no one can do evil because you can never know someone's true motivations... at a certain point you have to draw conclusions from actions, and it's pretty hard to see Apple's actions as not intending to maximise wealth extraction at this point, sure "tech" stuff still happens there out of some necessity and momentum, but the people at the helm clearly have a singular goal. If your argument is merely that strong inference is flawed, then you are in for a lot of disappointment with reality in general, since 99.9% of what everyone does every day is based upon it out of necessity.
        makeitdouble 4y ago
        Tim Cook testified in the Epic vs Apple trial explaining in clear business terms why they don't want third party app stores, side loading and non Apple surveyed alternative payment systems. The core of the argument was the money they believe Apple is entitled to.
Aissen 4y ago
As usual with these things, it's a convergence of factors. People caring, both in and outside Apple. French repair index (this update earned them 0,5 points / 10 compared to previous gen). Internal cost pressure on warranties, etc. "The time is right", i.e less things to optimize/design for in other areas (already solved problems). Probably many other factors that only mechanical engineers and product owners at Apple can answer.

edhelas 4y ago

Naaahhhh it's only because they wanted to. Took a few years and a few hundred millions difficult to repair devices to get there.

kmeisthax 4y ago

The EU pressure would be in the domains of software distribution (Apple thinks third-party app stores are just malware) and charger compatibility (Apple still holds onto Lightning). They've yet to talk about either of these at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of these requirements is either geolocked or exclusive to EU models.

tomxor 4y ago
> Apple thinks third-party app stores are just malware Apple is greedy not stupid. They don't want third party app stores because it would cause competition and interfere with their almost entirely vertically integrated consumer milking machine... they don't care about malware, they care about control, controlling the user, to make sure they spend as much money as possible with Apple. Notice that they have been increasingly swapping out as much third party as possible so they can take all of the profit, they "produce" film and tv shows and sell those tv shows on a device they make with a payment processing method they own... lots of layers of profit, it goes well beyond monopoly, they are destroying the concept of a free market. They do similar things with hardware and tech, buying out or forcing businesses into positions where they have to sell to Apple out or get pushed out.
- spideymans 4y ago
  I can assure you there are plenty of people within the Apple organization that genuinely care about security and privacy. And if Apple happens to profit due to those efforts, all the better. Not everything is some evil nefarious ploy.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    There’s also very nice people working for Oracle. That doesn’t really reflect on how decisions are taken and what priorities are set at the higher level.
    - spideymans 4y ago
      This is just nonsensical speculating, unless we understand the internal motivations of Apple’s decision makers. Maybe they’re evil and view this as a tool to dominate the world. Maybe they think these are genuinely beneficial decisions for their customers. Who knows.
      - tomxor 4y ago
        > This is just nonsensical speculating, unless we understand the internal motivations of Apple’s decision makers No, your reasoning is nonsensical, you can defend anything with that argument. If you apply it to the rest of the world then no one can do evil because you can never know someone's true motivations... at a certain point you have to draw conclusions from actions, and it's pretty hard to see Apple's actions as not intending to maximise wealth extraction at this point, sure "tech" stuff still happens there out of some necessity and momentum, but the people at the helm clearly have a singular goal. If your argument is merely that strong inference is flawed, then you are in for a lot of disappointment with reality in general, since 99.9% of what everyone does every day is based upon it out of necessity.
      - makeitdouble 4y ago
        Tim Cook testified in the Epic vs Apple trial explaining in clear business terms why they don't want third party app stores, side loading and non Apple surveyed alternative payment systems. The core of the argument was the money they believe Apple is entitled to.

Aissen 4y ago

As usual with these things, it's a convergence of factors. People caring, both in and outside Apple. French repair index (this update earned them 0,5 points / 10 compared to previous gen). Internal cost pressure on warranties, etc. "The time is right", i.e less things to optimize/design for in other areas (already solved problems). Probably many other factors that only mechanical engineers and product owners at Apple can answer.