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One more illustration that the demand for racism exceeds the supply.

by cm2187 4y ago

Mountain_Skies 4y ago
Only if you define racism in a singular direction. There's plenty of racism to go around, just not the kind that's fashionable to point out.
- throwaway8582 4y ago
  Exactly. When these sorts of acts are committed by non-whites, they disappear quickly from the news cycle and the race of the perpetrator is not mentioned or not emphasized. Anyone even remember the name of the black man with a history of racist posts that killed 6 and injured 62 during the Waukesha Christmas parade last year? Didn't think so
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    Anybody remember if that black man was a participant in a community of racists? Didn't think so. There's a difference in policy between handling a lone nutcase and racist groups.
throwaway8582 4y ago
These "hate hoaxes" are quite common. A few of the more prominent examples from recent years include Jussie Smollett, the Rolling Stone rape story, Yasmin Seweid, and Covington Catholic. Come to think of it, it seems like most of the major stories about some racist or sexist incident turn out to be false. It's not surprising that people do this, given how much value modern society places on "victimhood" and being a member of some oppressed group. What's more worrying is the tendency of the media and society to accept these accusations uncritically and jump on the bandwagon to condemn the alleged wrongdoer.
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- mimikatz 4y ago
  The BYU Volleyball incident is the most recent.
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    The BYU Volleyball incident happened. Conveniently for itself, BYU decided that the chants were not racist. Specifically, their entire justification for this finding that the fan in question did not say anything while the targeted athlete was serving the ball. But enough white Duke coaches and athletes also heard the racist remarks during the game that the university was able to identify the fan so that they could ask BYU to ban the fan. But apparently the anti-BYU chants this past weekend were super offensive. Hypocrites.
    - gamblor956 4y ago
      I know this thread is long-dead, but putting this out there as additional proof that the BYU incident happened: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stand-up-n-words-more-athletes-accuse-brigham-young-university-crowd-of-racism/ar-AA12rPfU https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stand-up-n-words-more-athl...? TLDR: the recent volleyball incident was just one of many recent BYU racism incidents.
    - crackercrews 4y ago
      > their entire justification for this finding that the fan in question did not say anything while the targeted athlete was serving the ball. Wasn't the claim that someone yelled the n-word every time the girl served the ball? Didn't BYU interview 50 students and fans, and not find a single one who could corroborate? And they pored over all of the recorded footage of the televised game and found nothing? Seems unlikely that NPR would be carrying water for BYU if Duke had the goods. [1] 1: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/14/1122977386/byu-apologizes-to-a-banned-fan-saying-it-found-no-proof-they-yelled-racial-slurs https://www.npr.org/2022/09/14/1122977386/byu-apologizes-to-...
hintymad 4y ago
This wouldn't be a problem if journalists sought facts instead of narratives.
hombre_fatal 4y ago
I’m reminded of the comparison to the dragon-slaying knight, finding himself with fewer and fewer dragons to slay, resorts to slaying increasingly small animals and, once nobody is impressed by that anymore, builds dragon effigies of straw.
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  Or the movie Dragonheart, where a dragon and knight team up to fake dragonslayings to con villagers.
boplicity 4y ago
I think you're misreading this. In my view, it is the demand for viral anger inducing content that is unlimited. That, of course, can include content that relates to racism, but the power of social media doesn't depend on the specific category of anger; rather, it thrives on virtually all anger. There are many examples of viral hoaxes that are not specifically about race, though topics related to race certainly do play well into the anger spiral of most social media. I would say that such hoaxes, in general, only work to add confusion to our perceptions of the real harms of racism in our society. Do not attempt to find any clarity based on these hoaxes. We shouldn't draw conclusions about how much racism there is, based on internet viral fud. To do so is to allow the deception to misdirect us away from the reality of the situation. Whatever that reality is, it's not reflected by this type of thing. Rather, this type of situation reflects the more general anger spiral that social media thrives on.
cyanydeez 4y ago
Eh, racism at the structural level doesn't move as fast as the number of Karen's in the world. This is social media wagging the dog. Your conclusions are erroneous.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
There are a few racists and I guess the positive side is that people can also learn from negative examples. The daily stormer was banned. I think it perfectly depicted racists at their lowest point and I doubt they could have impressed many people. Getting rid of all racism is as futile as getting rid of all stupidity. I think them being in the public so people can actually watch what they are doing and discussing is pretty reassuring. Because it often is very clear that it doesn't amount to much.

One more illustration that the demand for racism exceeds the supply.

by cm2187 4y ago

One more illustration that the demand for racism exceeds the supply.

Only if you define racism in a singular direction. There's plenty of racism to go around, just not the kind that's fashionable to point out.

throwaway8582 4y ago
Exactly. When these sorts of acts are committed by non-whites, they disappear quickly from the news cycle and the race of the perpetrator is not mentioned or not emphasized. Anyone even remember the name of the black man with a history of racist posts that killed 6 and injured 62 during the Waukesha Christmas parade last year? Didn't think so
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Anybody remember if that black man was a participant in a community of racists? Didn't think so. There's a difference in policy between handling a lone nutcase and racist groups.

throwaway8582 4y ago

These "hate hoaxes" are quite common. A few of the more prominent examples from recent years include Jussie Smollett, the Rolling Stone rape story, Yasmin Seweid, and Covington Catholic. Come to think of it, it seems like most of the major stories about some racist or sexist incident turn out to be false. It's not surprising that people do this, given how much value modern society places on "victimhood" and being a member of some oppressed group. What's more worrying is the tendency of the media and society to accept these accusations uncritically and jump on the bandwagon to condemn the alleged wrongdoer.

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mimikatz 4y ago
The BYU Volleyball incident is the most recent.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  The BYU Volleyball incident happened. Conveniently for itself, BYU decided that the chants were not racist. Specifically, their entire justification for this finding that the fan in question did not say anything while the targeted athlete was serving the ball. But enough white Duke coaches and athletes also heard the racist remarks during the game that the university was able to identify the fan so that they could ask BYU to ban the fan. But apparently the anti-BYU chants this past weekend were super offensive. Hypocrites.
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    I know this thread is long-dead, but putting this out there as additional proof that the BYU incident happened: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stand-up-n-words-more-athletes-accuse-brigham-young-university-crowd-of-racism/ar-AA12rPfU https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stand-up-n-words-more-athl...? TLDR: the recent volleyball incident was just one of many recent BYU racism incidents.
  - crackercrews 4y ago
    > their entire justification for this finding that the fan in question did not say anything while the targeted athlete was serving the ball. Wasn't the claim that someone yelled the n-word every time the girl served the ball? Didn't BYU interview 50 students and fans, and not find a single one who could corroborate? And they pored over all of the recorded footage of the televised game and found nothing? Seems unlikely that NPR would be carrying water for BYU if Duke had the goods. [1] 1: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/14/1122977386/byu-apologizes-to-a-banned-fan-saying-it-found-no-proof-they-yelled-racial-slurs https://www.npr.org/2022/09/14/1122977386/byu-apologizes-to-...

hintymad 4y ago

This wouldn't be a problem if journalists sought facts instead of narratives.

hombre_fatal 4y ago

I’m reminded of the comparison to the dragon-slaying knight, finding himself with fewer and fewer dragons to slay, resorts to slaying increasingly small animals and, once nobody is impressed by that anymore, builds dragon effigies of straw.

HideousKojima 4y ago
Or the movie Dragonheart, where a dragon and knight team up to fake dragonslayings to con villagers.

boplicity 4y ago

I think you're misreading this. In my view, it is the demand for viral anger inducing content that is unlimited. That, of course, can include content that relates to racism, but the power of social media doesn't depend on the specific category of anger; rather, it thrives on virtually all anger. There are many examples of viral hoaxes that are not specifically about race, though topics related to race certainly do play well into the anger spiral of most social media. I would say that such hoaxes, in general, only work to add confusion to our perceptions of the real harms of racism in our society. Do not attempt to find any clarity based on these hoaxes. We shouldn't draw conclusions about how much racism there is, based on internet viral fud. To do so is to allow the deception to misdirect us away from the reality of the situation. Whatever that reality is, it's not reflected by this type of thing. Rather, this type of situation reflects the more general anger spiral that social media thrives on.

cyanydeez 4y ago

Eh, racism at the structural level doesn't move as fast as the number of Karen's in the world. This is social media wagging the dog. Your conclusions are erroneous.

raxxorraxor 4y ago

There are a few racists and I guess the positive side is that people can also learn from negative examples. The daily stormer was banned. I think it perfectly depicted racists at their lowest point and I doubt they could have impressed many people. Getting rid of all racism is as futile as getting rid of all stupidity. I think them being in the public so people can actually watch what they are doing and discussing is pretty reassuring. Because it often is very clear that it doesn't amount to much.