Please, HN is intellectual paradise compared to reddit. I once tried to get into a debate on reddit about whether China was the next rising superpower or not.

Please, HN is intellectual paradise compared to reddit. I once tried to get into a debate on reddit about whether China was the next rising superpower or not. I pointed out China's demographic issues, how the developed world has largely turned against them in sentiment, how they're dependent on the outside world for food and energy, etc. The response I got? "Lol people have been saying China's going to collapse for decades and it hasn't happened yet lol" Oh and I got downvoted while that response got up-voted. I basically became a full time lurker in reddit after that experience. Complete waste of 15 minutes typing out an actual argument. Contrast that to HN where even when people have a misinformed argument they at least make an effort to engage, and I've actually been put in my place a few times with new information/well reasoned arguments that weren't just pulled out of someone's ass.