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> I am not sure why this is an elephant at all? Right now schools can use just about any criteria they wants. Why would it cede the control of the process at al

> I am not sure why this is an elephant at all? Right now schools can use just about any criteria they wants. Why would it cede the control of the process at all? Cause it's racist thus immoral. Some american universities used to do that for jews. It's was bad back then it's still bad now. "race-conscious admission", what a sweet euphemism for racial discrimination in academia. Just call it something that sounds positive, the hell with our principles.

HideousKojima 4y ago
It's also blatantly in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, and in violation of the 14th Amendment for any state schools. But that hasn't stopped the courts and educational institutions from being explicitly and overtly racist via affirmative action.
- cma 4y ago
  Alumni preference is racist at lots of schools, since they were segregated in living memory and the chain of alumni admitted with special preference can't go back to a person of excluded race before the desegregation of the school.
A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
I am not arguing race. I am asking why from sheer 'ability to steer process in direction I want' would an institution not fight against any changes to the status quo just when they figured out a sweet spot for themselves? I guess what I am saying that it explains a lot behind the link provided.
- throw_m239339 4y ago
  > I am not arguing race. Well this thread is about about "racism in academia". This is the elephant in the room. Racist policies in college admissions. You're trying to argue that it's somehow off topic when it's blatant and the so called anti-racist activists defend racism when it's targeted at groups they don't care about.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
    Hmm. Interesting point. Can you define racism for me as it relates to "Racist policies in college admissions."? I am trying to determine if you are looking at disparate impact or something else ( and if so, what that something else is ). I don't really disagree with you, but I am trying to understand your perspective. << You're trying to argue that it's somehow off topic Not at all. I am sure racism part will be covered in detail, while I go after less obvious, but likely more accurate 'people maintaining status quo, because it benefits them'.

HideousKojima 4y ago

It's also blatantly in violation of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, and in violation of the 14th Amendment for any state schools. But that hasn't stopped the courts and educational institutions from being explicitly and overtly racist via affirmative action.

cma 4y ago
Alumni preference is racist at lots of schools, since they were segregated in living memory and the chain of alumni admitted with special preference can't go back to a person of excluded race before the desegregation of the school.

A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago

I am not arguing race. I am asking why from sheer 'ability to steer process in direction I want' would an institution not fight against any changes to the status quo just when they figured out a sweet spot for themselves? I guess what I am saying that it explains a lot behind the link provided.

throw_m239339 4y ago
> I am not arguing race. Well this thread is about about "racism in academia". This is the elephant in the room. Racist policies in college admissions. You're trying to argue that it's somehow off topic when it's blatant and the so called anti-racist activists defend racism when it's targeted at groups they don't care about.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  Hmm. Interesting point. Can you define racism for me as it relates to "Racist policies in college admissions."? I am trying to determine if you are looking at disparate impact or something else ( and if so, what that something else is ). I don't really disagree with you, but I am trying to understand your perspective. << You're trying to argue that it's somehow off topic Not at all. I am sure racism part will be covered in detail, while I go after less obvious, but likely more accurate 'people maintaining status quo, because it benefits them'.