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The issue I have is things could be substantially worse than US hegemony - for example there could be a lot more wars/nuclear proliferation if the US failed.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
It's the worst hegemony...except for all of the others. It doesn't have to be perfect.
- FpUser 4y ago
  Says the hegemon. The victims of which there are plenty might have something resembling "fuck you" instead.
  - SyzygistSix 4y ago
    The US has indeed done a lot of damage abroad. However I can't really see anyone else using a gentler approach. Far more the opposite.
Mountain_Skies 4y ago
Are you sure? Where do you think the current path of the US is taking its citizens and the rest of the world? Wars are awful and a nuclear war would especially be so, but taking the slow road to an authoritarian state controlled by unknown forces hidden from view has the potential to be much worse. Think of your ideological worldview, now think of those who are the opposite. What happens if that group ends up in control without you even noticing it happening until it becomes a capital offense to point it out?
- thfuran 4y ago
  It can't possibly be the case that we're currently headed to a secret takeover by a cabal exactly ideologically opposed to every reader.
  - feet 4y ago
    It's a thought experiment to try and point out the negative aspects of the current situation that could resonate with any reader
- hackerlight 4y ago
  Realism predicts more war in a multipolar world.
  - Mountain_Skies 4y ago
    War isn't the only evil in the world.
    - hackerlight 4y ago
      Other types of evil are also worse in a multipolar world.
troops_h8r 4y ago
This is much easier to say if you're not living in any of its victim states, or under the boots of any of the vicious autocrats the US props up. Also, it's not like nuclear proliferation is solved. It's still breathing down our necks, we just don't talk about it anymore
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asdff 4y ago
Wouldn't there be no nuclear proliferation if the U.S. failed? Who designs weapons systems for NATO? The entire nuclear arms race wouldn't have happened if the U.S. didn't use the strategic bombing of citizens as a foreign policy platform 80 years ago.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

It's the worst hegemony...except for all of the others. It doesn't have to be perfect.

FpUser 4y ago
Says the hegemon. The victims of which there are plenty might have something resembling "fuck you" instead.
- SyzygistSix 4y ago
  The US has indeed done a lot of damage abroad. However I can't really see anyone else using a gentler approach. Far more the opposite.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago

Are you sure? Where do you think the current path of the US is taking its citizens and the rest of the world? Wars are awful and a nuclear war would especially be so, but taking the slow road to an authoritarian state controlled by unknown forces hidden from view has the potential to be much worse. Think of your ideological worldview, now think of those who are the opposite. What happens if that group ends up in control without you even noticing it happening until it becomes a capital offense to point it out?

thfuran 4y ago
It can't possibly be the case that we're currently headed to a secret takeover by a cabal exactly ideologically opposed to every reader.
- feet 4y ago
  It's a thought experiment to try and point out the negative aspects of the current situation that could resonate with any reader
hackerlight 4y ago
Realism predicts more war in a multipolar world.
- Mountain_Skies 4y ago
  War isn't the only evil in the world.
  - hackerlight 4y ago
    Other types of evil are also worse in a multipolar world.

troops_h8r 4y ago

This is much easier to say if you're not living in any of its victim states, or under the boots of any of the vicious autocrats the US props up. Also, it's not like nuclear proliferation is solved. It's still breathing down our necks, we just don't talk about it anymore

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asdff 4y ago

Wouldn't there be no nuclear proliferation if the U.S. failed? Who designs weapons systems for NATO? The entire nuclear arms race wouldn't have happened if the U.S. didn't use the strategic bombing of citizens as a foreign policy platform 80 years ago.